KNOW THAT BY SCROLLING DOWN THIS THREAD, YOU ARE GOING TO RUIN THE MOVIE FOR YOURSELF IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN IT.

this is what I think...

Character Development

While you usually see one side of a character in a movie, the matrix reloaded has given each individual character depth that comes rare in movies.

Morpheus is not just the dry, all-knowing captain that we saw in the first. Though there was some doubt of the oracle's prophecies in the first, in this film he is faced with people who openly criticize him as supersticious. Also, we see what kind of passion is inside of him with his speech to the people of Zion. This makes Morpheus make sense. He is enthusiastic about everything he does.

Mr. Smith is developed as well when he converses with Neo about being free, which is something he emphasized to Morpheus in the first movie.

The consul that takes a walk with Neo at night is further developed beyond the stereotypical "wise old man consul guy" when they go to the engineering level and says, "~I do not understand why any of these mahcines work, but I know why they have to." He isn't high and mighty, he is modest.


Editing, Continuity, and Time Transitioning

I would like to see the movie again to make another call on editing, but from what I saw the first time, it was flawless. Nothing was choppy in the switch between each shot. Master Shot Technique was wonderfully used, and even in fight scenes, which is a consistent problem in the majority of action movies/sequences.

Some of the time transitions were similar to the first movie and other movies I have seen. There is one part where they go from Zion or the ship, the camera pans up into a dark ceiling, then the scene is a phone on a table. It was very smooth, and well done to ge to another part of the story. The technique is not original at all, but was well executed. The fact that the camera panned up went along the lines of different levels of consciousness. If Zion is below conscious level of what the matrix is, then that would mean the camera would pan upwards, which it did. Good job.


My general take on the movie...

This move reinvented cinematography the first time around, and it did it again this time, and I know for fact that

Did anyone notice that the strong majority of liberated people in Zion were African American or colored? Did you notice that every person in the movie was portayed as an equal human. On the council of Zion, there were representatives of women and nationalities, and they were all portrayed as intelligent. One of the few other movies I can think of that has an intelligent black leader in it is The Fifth Element.

The car chase sequence is really one of the most action intense sequences I have seen in a while. Not much to say anymore. I'm going to let conversation devlop a bit.

I actually did notice that and I thought it was interesting. Have you also noticed that all the agents are white though? I wonder if that was on purpose.

I think that the similarities between the way they harvest human life for energy and the way we harvest animal(all) life for energy are interesting... That is the only thing about it I think is interesting...


special effects have gotten to a point where they are used in every film, and I think that is creating a line in the sand of sorts between fimmakers...
Aronofsky, Lynch, and Jackson are probably getting pretty lonely on the other side... I have a feeling Richard Kelly might be on his way to join them...

It is a shame that we cant get an event going like Zion's little dance party. It was so sensual and hot and sexy!
I also loved the Ducati, and I bet the Keymaker got a little excited riding behind Trinity as well! *Doing!*

And by the way, didn't DJ Mia say during her last time here at Far West say that she had a track that was on the Matrix? I didn't see or hear anything in the movie or the credits. Friggin women, Psssh! j/k

that party was something, else, the pulsing dr um beats, and the sea of bodies, it was really awesome...if only that was possible

OK, I JUST GOT BACK from seeing the movie. I'd like to add a few new points to the critique. I didn't notice so much that the people were of different ethnicities and colors, what I noticed were: EVERYBODY IN ZION WAS FUCKING HOT AND LOVED TO PARTY!!! w0rd...

I also noticed the mix between true borns (not in the matrix) and those taken out of the matrix. It seemed about half and half. I also noticed a wide variety of religions... all and all, Zion looked like a pretty dope place. You could throw badass parties in that lava tunnel thing. I wonder what the accoustics would be like. Would probably get some freaky reverb but no loose things to shake and sound all ghetto.

OK, but seriously... the rifts within the machine world, the program world. That was awesome. Old programs, new programs, programs with various intentions hacking other programs. I liked that. I like that there is no singular machine unity, that among the machines there is disparity. This movie made The Matrix more believable. Combined with the Second Rennaisance Part 1 & 2 I have a new appreciation for the storyline.

and she also said that her performance at Farwest Rodeo was her last DJ performance, and after that she was going to start a band or something.

See, the Matrix 2 is more like Dune as opposed to Star Wars where Star Wars focuses on bipolar principles and Dune focuses more on functions.

that party scene in zion was the worst part.

I'm still a little confused. So prophecy is false (or was it? or was the outcome just false?) and it has happened many times before, zion has been built and rebuilt to give the humans who escape false hope, but this Neo IS really something special. Now Zion is now destroyed and everyone gone except that roomful of people at the end? Was the architect bluffing about the matrix being destroyed?

What are these exiled people (the oracle, twins, gatekeeper) Human, Machine or Other? Why were the twins and the french guy trying to stop Neo and crew?

Exiles are all programs fool. The point was, there is a glitch in the Matrix that the machines haven't been able to solve. There has always been a very small chance that people plugged in will become aware they are plugged in, and a smaller chance they will be able to manipulate the matrix to extreme effects ie The Anomoly ie Neo. The architect has tried different strategies to mitigate the effects in the 6 versions of the Matrix. "Obsolete" programs left over from prior versions of the Matrix that didn't get deleted (ie the oracle, gatekeeper, the albino twins, etc.) have stuck around against the architect's design. Zion is part of the design apparently. The machines built Zion. All those machines that nobody knows how to run that kept Zion alive were left by the machines so that people in the Matrix could choose to go elsewhere.

I'm a bit fuzzy on the whole choice thing. I need to watch it again. That dialog came fast.

I noticed several bad edits.

Too many action sequences, not enough movie.

I nearly fell asleep in the action sequence before the car chase scene, the chase leading up to the car chase scene, the car chase scene and the aftermath of the car chase scene. Roughly around 25 minutes of action sequence right there.
*SNORE*

maybe the "real" world is just another parallel part of the matrix that is a failsafe backup world, cause neo says it doesn't feel right and has powers, and the agent smith hacks his way into it.

That, or Neo is the REAL one and has godlike powers.

Isn't the name of the city spelled 'Xeon' ?

Neo's choice contradicted prior versions and thus introduced a new anomaly into the equation, thus distinguishing himself from the rest. It's like when you're a decimal off the mark but if you keep moving off the mark generation after generation eventually being off a miniscule fraction will create massive deviations from the original program.

Allowing Zion to exist allows the machines to filter out the One and reintroduce him into the Matrix thus extinguishing the deviation while simultaneously compensating for it.

That's the name of a processor.

I don't think so. I don't know if you noticed it in the first one, but whenever they are in the Matrix the scenes have a slightly green tint to them. Whenever they are in the real world, the slightly green tint is gone.

The french guy said that choice was a joke, and that it was only a form of control, so when the architect gave neo the choice to either destroy the matrix and zion or save trinity thereby destroying all humanity, that was just a form of control to get neo to do what the machines wanted. i'm still confused on how zion could be destroyed, because i have a hard time believing zion is part of the program. and humanity was not destroyed as a result of neo saving trinity.

but then how does neo actually feel the sentinals in the "real" world and stop them. either zion and the real world are part of the matrix or neo really is the one.

if the "real" world had a green tint or it would give it away. the humans don't even question that what they see is fake cause in the world outside of the matrix there was zion, the rebellion, the prophecy (which were all designed by the machines to keep the human race in control) but neo might have gotten a glimpse of the truth at the end. I think it makes more sense than neo having real super powers. who wants to save a world with no sun anyway?

everyone read this...

http://www.corporatemofo.com/stories/051803matrix.htm

That, my boy, is the entire point of the 3rd movie.

Here's a possible explaination: Machines depends on the energy/heat drawn from The Matrix for an "optimal" level of survival (the Architect said that the machines were "prepared to accept a certain level of survival") so it's not such a far reach to believe that all Machines are in-fact plugged into The Matrix in some manner. Neo has supreme control within The Matrix, it's not such a far reach to see that Neo could also have control over things plugged into The Matrix from outside of the Matrix. The Matrix is broadcast through the air, it's not such a far reach to think that all machines could be continuously plugged into it. Furthermore, it's not such a far reach for Neo to be able to tap into underlying air streams from The Matrix without the use of a direct tap. Neo's ability to sense and destroy the machines would there for be a reflection of his ability to sense and manipulate The Matrix. While there is a world outside of The Matrix, The Matrix permeates the real world.

Perhaps the machines indeed recognized that The Matrix was their one achilles heal and that anyone able to control The Matrix would be able to control the machines.

What's the "then" to that "if?" That's a fragment that I don't understand.



The truth? And what do you think the truth is? Matrices within matrices?

I dunno... I think there is significance that they tint scenes within The Matrix green, while the scenes outside of the Matrix have no tint.



That was a pretty dope read.

Pseudo Geek Philosophy at its finest.

i dont understand why everyone is talking that zion is destoryed ...

befor they went back to the matrix. They planned for a counter attack. And the only one that survived was the guy thats Hacked by "SMITH" becuase some one in the line of deffense shot out there Pulse too soon.

now theres still time befor the robots dig to Zion.

basically showing that the human in zion thats the trader and hacked by smith. Solves that to control humans. There must be a conflict .

i think u may be on to something there....this is just from some of my studies....in actual math....

large matrices(which it seems that the matrix in the movie is GIGANTIC) can be broken down into smaller matrices that have their own unique identities and properties from the original matrix....its similar, but not alike...(thats probably as far as all that goes)

it could be that zion IS actually part of a larger matrix that is all controlled by the creator....how else would he know so much about the "real" world and how zion would be defeated......

that explains neos powers to defeat the robots...however, he was drained completely whereas inside the smaller matrix, he would not have felt pain or fatigue at all...

andwhen the creator spoke...he didnt speak in first person singular...he spoke in first person plural...he always said "WE" are prepared to do this, and "WE" have done that...

i duno...it was kinda confusing, but i think id like to see it again to listen to EVERYTHING that thecreator said....i was a lil sidetracked by mah date....hehehe

man this thread makes me feel like a

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