if that was the case, I'd vote for Obama because ethnic babies are cuter. No offense to caucasians.

i'm fuckin offended.

i'm not.

Caucasian is an ethnic category...

they taste better too, which is why i ONLY eat ethnic babies.

although for some reason when i eat asian babies, i'm always hungry again within like 30 minutes. weird.

Abstinence doesn't work. People are going to have sex anyway, because sex is good.

I'm for abortion because it's a major life change that will not only affect the mother's wellbeing but the child's as well. A woman could give a child up for adoption, but foster homes are so messed up. Many are abused within the system and most end up homeless if not adopted by age 18. If a mother decides to keep it, life is going to be a struggle if the mother is not financially or emotionally stable to raise it. What kind of life is that? Then there's the counterargument that everybody's life is hard. But my life in comparison to someone who was raised in the projects or raped in a foster home is PEACHY in comparison. Is is really fair to throw someone into a life where elements are stacked against them? If I was aborted, I would've never been brought into existence. Who would I be mad at?

But I treat abortion as I do religion, no matter how much you preach either way, it's too personal an issue to change one's mind. It's a change in mind that comes in one's own time and experience.

There.

non-caucasian

THAT'S RACIST!

hahahaha

Again, this is an immature and irresponsible vantage point that assumes we're all mindless animals that can't control our urges and are unable to do anything to prevent the situation from occuring. That and you're unable to take responsibility for your actions or you're too immature and/or young and/or unfinancially sound.

But is it really fair to cut it off? Situational ethics come into play. I have the choice to kill people, but I don't because I do not want to suffer the consequences of such. Just because it's currently "safe" to abort a child, doesn't make it "right". Is "I fucked up" a good reason for killing someone? If not, what is? "They might have a shitty life"? Silly childish nomenclature...

Too bad you weren't.

i say let people do to their own bodies whatever they want as long as no one else is harmed. a first trimester fetus does not qualify as "someone else"

i don't think they should count as somebody else until they can walk and talk.

in other words, kill all the mute paraplegics.

You're the only one who has made a valid counter-opinion.

Including "special people". Fuck them.

Urges are uncontrollable if one is a teenager who doesn't know any better. Sexual education is more set on preaching abstinence than safe sex and using contraceptives thanks to Christian fundamentalists. Very young girls in poverty are having babies not because they are sluts or are irresponsible, but because they are misinformed within the educational system and because the availability of contraceptives are restricted to minors, unless parents are notified; but that depends on the state. Contraceptives should be available to anyone at any age because people are going to have sex regardless of what is preached.

I am kind of torn on the "shitty life" argument. People who are ABLE to overcome adversity are the most interesting people one could meet. And I don't mean to say that a hard life isn't worth living. Personally, I just wouldn't want to live a life in the ghetto where I see friends die from overdoses or gang shootings, nor would I want to live a life of being raised in a foster home that was sexually or physically abusive. That kind of adversity can be impossible for some to overcome and is unfair to subject any individual to if the situation can be avoided.

Abortions are of personal choice, selfish or not. To impose either or is like imposing a religion. It's a moral choice that should not be made by the government.

And that was fucking low.

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you're telling me that they don't teach that sex makes babies? wow.

seriously, you're terribly misinformed. sex ed classes teach all about contraceptives, how effective each method is, and also that abstinence is the only 100% effective method (which happens to be true). and because of that, it's the dirty christian's fault as to why people have illegitimate children? i've got to say, your logic is absolutely astounding.

i grew up around a lot of christians who took all sorts of special abstinence classes... and let me tell you, it wasn't them that were having abortions and getting preggers. it was the sluts. the irresponsible sluts. and it ain't christianity's fault these idiots acted like they had no idea that sex makes babies.


additionally, your information on adoption is totally wack. i personally know couples who have been waiting to adopt for months who would give a child or two a perfectly loving household to grow up in. shit, two of my best friends were adopted and they had more shit growing up than most people.

technically contraception goes against catholocism. that may have been what they were getting at. "playing god" and such.

then again i didn't read any of it.

neither have you.



My views on the subject have absolutely nothing to do with pancake boobs, torn vaginas and stretch marks but has everything to do with me thinking, if a girl gets pregnant (be it by responsible mistake or blantant irrespnosibility) and thinks it's in her best intrest not to have a child at that time in her life, she should have the right to determine so. Ultimately it will be her with the burden or gift. If that makes my reasoning on the subject selfish then by all means, call me selfish. I've never been pregnant nor do i know 110% exactly which path I would take, should I get knocked up right this moment, but I should have the choice. For the sake of discussion let's say I get pregnant today, talk to Scott about it and he says have it, I would think about it hard but then at the end of the day I decided that I don't want to have the baby, I would go through with the abortion. Because ulitimately, it would be my baby. Scott could up and leave at any moment. It's sad that that's how we have to think now but it's reality. A guy always has the choice to stay or go even if there is a child.


get a uterus?




yes, they do. a good friend of mine in high school by means of "responsiblle accident" ended up getting pregnant. She decided to have an abortion and went on to college, moved to LA to pursue acting (which she didn't know she wanted to do in high school so this was not her reason for the abortion) and has a great life and yes, has said "I'm glad I got an abortion". Does it make her a bit sad every now and again, yeah but she's done things she probably would have been able to do with a baby.

*your retarded bear noise soounds like chewbaca in my head*

Sorry, that was an easy low to dip to. When I dip you dip we....

*spasm spasm twitch twitch*

Ok, I'm better now.

And I agree with you on many fronts. Education isn't what or where it should be, but I was pretty clear on what to do with my penis by age 10. And the repurcussions of such. Having four sisters and much older friends when I was young, children weren't exactly something I was ignorant of.

On a side-note, I wouldn't delimit your statements to any specific rights or activist group when you and I both know people can be or affiliated to anything and have a retarded mindset on things. /badgrammar

I could ascribe a situation much like the one you stated where the girl was too young to know what he was doing until months later when a baby popped out. Current abortion laws wouldn't have been able to "save" them at this point anyway. /irrelevant

i pretty much said that but you argue back that you shouldn't have an abortion regardless at what stage the fetus is in.

does it coming from a man make it better?

I wasn't arguing one way or the other, just stating my vantage point or opinion while detailing why and why you should have a clear reasons for your opinion or choice. You weren't detailing or "quantifying" your reasoning. "A first trimester fetus does not qualify as 'someone else'", you just said "It's my body". Unless I missed something and you think it's "your body" until it pops out of you. In which case I really don't know how to respond to that. I personally don't think abortion should be an option but if it came to a vote I'd be reasonably ok within the first tri-mester.

And my personal view and opinion on the matter dictates that I wouldn't be able to "leave". I could leave her, but I would still take 100% responsibility for said child. I would take custody if she didn't want to. But again, this isn't "typical". Which as you said, is sad.

Thank you both, Izu and Andrea for simply confirming all I was trying to get across. The only real reason for doing such is that "I > it". My life. My body. Selfish. Et cetera.