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So I saw Ron Paul signs on Mopac, Westgate and A Ron Paul revolution sticker on a stop sign in the South Austin Central Market parking lot. I was thinking it's probably not a good idea to put that kind of stuff on stop signs. Does anybody know the legality behind putting up political signs? When I put mine up, I want to be legit.


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The news said Romney supporters outnumbered Paul's supporters in IA?
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I find it amusing the GOP is working so hard to ignore Ron Paul. :D

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the only thing negative i can say about Ron Paul is that he once stated, and please correct me if i get the show wrong, but he said on the Daily Show that he supported moving back to the gold standard of monitary backsing for the national treasury. unfortunately, i do not agree with him because there is absolutely no way to do this. it would destroy our economy. but his voting record in Congress seems to be fairly on board with middle America.


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I caught the Air America interview he did on Thursday. He made good points, as well as the interviewer. I think people like Ron because his speech is consistent with his voting record. He speaks and then follows through. This is totally opposite of pretty much every politician I can think of. I do not agree with all of his libertarian beliefs, but I repect him for at least voting in accord with them. Which is more than I can say for the Democrats and Republicans.

I do not believe returning everything to local levels would do anything. I think if anything, states like Texas, Oklahoma, and Louisanna would become more corrupt(if thats possible). Most states can't pave roads, much less balance a budget. I would rather take the best from Democratic, Libertarian, and Republican platforms. It makes more sense. Deciding what to take and how it would benefit everyone else would be the hard part.

P.S. The funniest part of the interview was listening to two men duke it out on abortion. No, that's a fetus! No it's not! Being that it is a woman's issue to begin with, they both sounded pretty dumb debating it.

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I got high at a ron paul rally a few months ago on accident.


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Straw Poll Results

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On November 5th (date purposely associated with V for Vendetta) Ron Paul broke the record for the largest online contribution in a single day.

For those who support Ron Paul, there will be another Mass Donation Day on December 16th, signifying the some 200 year anniversary of the Boston Tea Party. I can't afford a $100 donation, but a few dollars is better than nothing at all.

Ron Paul Tea Party 07:
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Ron Paul on the War on Drugs:
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i agree with some of his points but others kind of rub me the wrong way.

Education. wants to romove federal subsidies and have schools be
funded by local taxes. So does this mean wealthy area's have wealthy schools with better education because of the ability to pay for better schooling?
Private schools may test better but what if a parent can't afford
to pay for their child to go to school? They get little to no
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End Birthright citzenship.-Does this mean people that are americans, born in america aren't citizens even though their family is american?


Against abortion and to me this is a huge thing. I don't think government has the right to do with what is in my body. Especially a man. Maybe w edo need some sort of population control. I'm tired of seeing stupid people that can't afford the children they have have more babies. And they'll continue to do so because they grew up in a poor town and didnt have the education to know the difference. bringing up the point two points ago.

Against forced vaccinations? So any American can travel to another country get small pox or at least pick up the dormant virus and bring it over here and infect others.

opposed to government appointed psychiatrists to ban veterans with post traumtic stress d/o from owning a gun. I dont want some nutty traumatized vet shooting up traffic because he think he's at war.

No standardized tests or or benchmarks as far as testing for home schooled kids? parents can teach their own children at home but no criteria of which they have to learn. i.e a parent can teach a year about math but then spend a week on reading then we have a kid that can count really well but can't read shit.

all in all..not impressed.

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Ron Paul is more of a Republican disguised as a Liberal.

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Ron Paul is more of a Republican disguised as a Liberal.
Lot of that going on this time around. Demmy runnin' as an Elephant and vice versa.

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Education. wants to romove federal subsidies and have schools be
funded by local taxes. So does this mean wealthy area's have wealthy schools with better education because of the ability to pay for better schooling?
Private schools may test better but what if a parent can't afford
to pay for their child to go to school? They get little to no
education?

I don't think he's talking so much about public school as higher education. Even if he were, most public education funding comes from property tax. What he is most definetly refering to is higher education. The federal government hands out billions of dollars to schools so that we can have a competent and educated workforce. In the end, all this really does is allow the schools to raise the cost of tuition so that they can suck up more subsidies. At ACC for example, the in district tuition fee only covers about half of what the school makes. The rest is paid for mostly with federal subsidies. Lets just say for example that he was elected and he cut all federal subsidies for higher education. What would happen is that tuition fees would immedietly drop, making the smily face at wal-mart drop its jaw. Yes, there are still people who couldn't afford tuition, but there are still a bounty of state subsidies and scholarships to be had. Some of these scholarships require nothing more than low income and a decent acedemic standing.

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End Birthright citzenship.-Does this mean people that are americans, born in america aren't citizens even though their family is american?

This simply means that someone can't come into the country, have a child, and the simple fact that they were born on US soil gives them citizenship. Get in line and take the test...

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Against abortion and to me this is a huge thing. I don't think government has the right to do with what is in my body. Especially a man. Maybe w edo need some sort of population control. I'm tired of seeing stupid people that can't afford the children they have have more babies. And they'll continue to do so because they grew up in a poor town and didnt have the education to know the difference. bringing up the point two points ago.

He is against abortion personally, but he doesn't want to step on the right to decide. He wants to repeal Roe vs. Wade, not so that abortion will be criminalized, but so that it is up to the state governments to legislate abortion if they so desire. Some states will criminalize abortion and some won't, so if you're in one of those southern baptist states, all you have to do is take a road trip to abort your' fetus.

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Against forced vaccinations? So any American can travel to another country get small pox or at least pick up the dormant virus and bring it over here and infect others.

I don't know what to tell you about that one except... Fear is the mind killer. -Frank Herbert (Dune)

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opposed to government appointed psychiatrists to ban veterans with post traumtic stress d/o from owning a gun. I dont want some nutty traumatized vet shooting up traffic because he think he's at war.

Any sort of gun ban isn't going to do a lot of good. Marijuana is illegal and look at all the stoners puffin' on their pipes.

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No standardized tests or or benchmarks as far as testing for home schooled kids? parents can teach their own children at home but no criteria of which they have to learn. i.e a parent can teach a year about math but then spend a week on reading then we have a kid that can count really well but can't read shit.

It happens anyway. I've meet plenty of kids (and adults) both from home school and public school backgrounds who have taken and passed all the standardized tests and even graduated who have 6th grade reading levels, can't do simple algebra, and think that genes are blue and have pockets. The bottom line is that standardized tests have a very low validity. All it is, is more buerocracy and undue stress.

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Ron Paul is consistent and straight forward. That is a rarity among politicians. Immediate withdrawal from Iraq is a stance that even Obama and Clinton refuse to take, which explains why he has more more support from the military than any other candidate. The fact that he even dares to raise issues such as national debt and inflation is unheard of. During the debates, it's sickening to see the other candidates side step these very real problems. They act as if it's not happening, because when it does happen, when harmful side effects to the middle class become more severe and more visible, the top 1% (which includes our 'all smiles' politicians) are going to be A-OK.

Change is never easy, whether it's for better or for worse; and there will be major, major changes if he's elected. I guess it just depends on if one is open to innovative changes that will better the future of our nation, FDR style. There's the same old, same old, or there's change.

**I don't like that he's against abortion either, but a) he's going to have a tough time reversing Roe v. Wade and b) even if he does reverse it, there are ways to safely abort a fetus in one's own home.

***And I found this picture of Ron Paul from grade school. He looks like the sweetest politician one could meet. Very humble.
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I don't think he's talking so much about public school as higher education. Even if he were, most public education funding comes from property tax. What he is most definetly refering to is higher education. The federal government hands out billions of dollars to schools so that we can have a competent and educated workforce. In the end, all this really does is allow the schools to raise the cost of tuition so that they can suck up more subsidies. At ACC for example, the in district tuition fee only covers about half of what the school makes. The rest is paid for mostly with federal subsidies. Lets just say for example that he was elected and he cut all federal subsidies for higher education. What would happen is that tuition fees would immedietly drop, making the smily face at wal-mart drop its jaw. Yes, there are still people who couldn't afford tuition, but there are still a bounty of state subsidies and scholarships to be had. Some of these scholarships require nothing more than low income and a decent acedemic standing.

I don't see how it would lower tuition. Schools would just replace the money they're missing from the government with money from students.

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This simply means that someone can't come into the country, have a child, and the simple fact that they were born on US soil gives them citizenship. Get in line and take the test...

I understand what it means and partially agree with what it's trying to do. I.E. you can't swim up a creek come have a baby here and make it a citizen. But that's how we all became citizens (mostly). An american has a baby and the baby has to wait until it can take a test to become citizen? Make the illegal parents stand in line and take the test or take the child.



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Against forced vaccinations? So any American can travel to another country get small pox or at least pick up the dormant virus and bring it over here and infect others.

I don't know what to tell you about that one except... Fear is the mind killer. -Frank Herbert (Dune)
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I really think it's just protecting the nation from foreign disease which I think is valid. Diseases that have been eradicated for years here, are still a problem in other countries. Mandatory vaccinations make that still possible.



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It happens anyway. I've meet plenty of kids (and adults) both from home school and public school backgrounds who have taken and passed all the standardized tests and even graduated who have 6th grade reading levels, can't do simple algebra, and think that genes are blue and have pockets. The bottom line is that standardized tests have a very low validity. All it is, is more buerocracy and undue stress.


I think maybe we just need to get back to acutal teaching. I think schools spend the year preparing for such tests, i.e. taas & tasp tests

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i definitely believe we should elect our president based on their elementary school photo. good lookin' out izu.

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Against abortion and to me this is a huge thing. I don't think government has the right to do with what is in my body. Especially a man. Maybe w edo need some sort of population control. I'm tired of seeing stupid people that can't afford the children they have have more babies. And they'll continue to do so because they grew up in a poor town and didnt have the education to know the difference. bringing up the point two points ago.
I'm against abortion. I don't think it's in any person's power to have the right to end the life of another. Period. I don't care what stage a pregnancy is at. I define pregnancy as the point in which the egg has been fertilized and mounted to the uterus. Don't pretend like they're "your body" -- they're not. It's someone ELSE growing inside you. I think people try to disregard this notion (avoidance). That or they simply fail to realize this fact (ignorance/stupidity).

You've got three scenarios:

1) Responsible person gets pregnant because they neglected to use a condom once or the pill just happened not to work 100% of the time. A person's life shouldn't be ended because you were negligent, inconsistent or failed to use proper preventative measures. We all know the risks. At the end of the day -- if you don't want to get pregnant, DON'T HAVE SEX.

2) Irresponsible person has sex and gets pregnant over and over. These people need an option for neutering. A cheap one. Seriously. No more statute of limitations regarding how old or how many children people are required to have before doctors will consider performing these operations. I could go off on a tangent about children and addiction/hormones, but that's a whole other post. And there're a lot of people that have dozens of children on purpose for various reasons.

3) Raped. Immediately to the doctor, system purged and day-after pills consumed. Planned Parenthood offers day-after pills for free. Less than 1% potential occurence of pregnancy.

Call my opinion shortsighted, I don't really care. I'm curious how many of you who have such defined opinions have actually had to deal with this issue first-hand? I doubt very many if any at all. I mean I would hope. :-?

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i'm anti-choice, pro-abortion.

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i've always hated the abortion movement because women act like they own the fetus or something.

i demand male reproductive rights!


p.s. all the people i've ever known to get an abortion were irresponsible sluts.

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Against abortion and to me this is a huge thing. I don't think government has the right to do with what is in my body. Especially a man. Maybe w edo need some sort of population control. I'm tired of seeing stupid people that can't afford the children they have have more babies. And they'll continue to do so because they grew up in a poor town and didnt have the education to know the difference. bringing up the point two points ago.
I'm against abortion. I don't think it's in any person's power to have the right to end the life of another. Period. I don't care what stage a pregnancy is at. I define pregnancy as the point in which the egg has been fertilized and mounted to the uterus. Don't pretend like they're "your body" -- they're not. It's someone ELSE growing inside you. I think people try to disregard this notion (avoidance). That or they simply fail to realize this fact (ignorance/stupidity).

You've got three scenarios:

1) Responsible person gets pregnant because they neglected to use a condom once or the pill just happened not to work 100% of the time. A person's life shouldn't be ended because you were negligent, inconsistent or failed to use proper preventative measures. We all know the risks. At the end of the day -- if you don't want to get pregnant, DON'T HAVE SEX.

2) Irresponsible person has sex and gets pregnant over and over. These people need an option for neutering. A cheap one. Seriously. No more statute of limitations regarding how old or how many children people are required to have before doctors will consider performing these operations. I could go off on a tangent about children and addiction/hormones, but that's a whole other post. And there're a lot of people that have dozens of children on purpose for various reasons.

3) Raped. Immediately to the doctor, system purged and day-after pills consumed. Planned Parenthood offers day-after pills for free. Less than 1% potential occurence of pregnancy.

Call my opinion shortsighted, I don't really care. I'm curious how many of you who have such defined opinions have actually had to deal with this issue first-hand? I doubt very many if any at all. I mean I would hope. :-?


no offense but as a guy, your opnion bears little weight on my own. I really don't think a dude should have much say. yes it is someone else growing inside my body buts its my body they need to get through to get to it.

but i've never been pregnant.

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Against abortion and to me this is a huge thing. I don't think government has the right to do with what is in my body. Especially a man. Maybe w edo need some sort of population control. I'm tired of seeing stupid people that can't afford the children they have have more babies. And they'll continue to do so because they grew up in a poor town and didnt have the education to know the difference. bringing up the point two points ago.
I'm against abortion. I don't think it's in any person's power to have the right to end the life of another. Period. I don't care what stage a pregnancy is at. I define pregnancy as the point in which the egg has been fertilized and mounted to the uterus. Don't pretend like they're "your body" -- they're not. It's someone ELSE growing inside you. I think people try to disregard this notion (avoidance). That or they simply fail to realize this fact (ignorance/stupidity).

You've got three scenarios:

1) Responsible person gets pregnant because they neglected to use a condom once or the pill just happened not to work 100% of the time. A person's life shouldn't be ended because you were negligent, inconsistent or failed to use proper preventative measures. We all know the risks. At the end of the day -- if you don't want to get pregnant, DON'T HAVE SEX.

2) Irresponsible person has sex and gets pregnant over and over. These people need an option for neutering. A cheap one. Seriously. No more statute of limitations regarding how old or how many children people are required to have before doctors will consider performing these operations. I could go off on a tangent about children and addiction/hormones, but that's a whole other post. And there're a lot of people that have dozens of children on purpose for various reasons.

3) Raped. Immediately to the doctor, system purged and day-after pills consumed. Planned Parenthood offers day-after pills for free. Less than 1% potential occurence of pregnancy.

Call my opinion shortsighted, I don't really care. I'm curious how many of you who have such defined opinions have actually had to deal with this issue first-hand? I doubt very many if any at all. I mean I would hope. :-?


no offense but as a guy, your opnion bears little weight on my own. I really don't think a dude should have much say. yes it is someone else growing inside my body buts its my body they need to get through to get to it.

but i've never been pregnant.


well if we don't have a say so then girls either need to swallow more or get sprayed up. :badteeth:

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but i've never been pregnant.
That's right, you haven't. :roll:

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no offense but as a guy, your opnion bears little weight on my own. I really don't think a dude should have much say. yes it is someone else growing inside my body buts its my body they need to get through to get to it.
I'm not trying to change your opinion one way or another and I do understand the point you're trying to make. I'm only trying to make you realize that what you're saying is so fucking ridiculously selfish. "My body" blah blah blah. Potential damage: floppy titties, stretch marks and a torn vagina -- most of this damage can be prevented/reduced via regular exercise and a nutritional diet. And again, your reasoning/opinion is a method of avoidance and fails to take responsibility for your actions. If that's ok with you, then by all means, have at it.

Just like a guy has no choice in whether or not they have to fund child support, we again have no choice in what actions you take. Here's some selfish male counter-reasoning: you get the right to choose our fate even though we were 50% of the action causing said results. There's no counter-signature required by us to perform said operation. Lame. :finger:

Which imo is bullshit. I'd have a 5-6 year old at this point. Do I reminisce on this fact? No, but it is one more thing that will linger in the back of my mind for the rest of my life. It's just sad to think that a lifetime was expended at the cost of <30 minutes of pleasure.

No humane person ever says, "I'm glad I had that abortion." But again, I guess this goes back to societies trend towards self-serving and self-righteous tendencies.

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Some look like they already have. 8O

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