I think a long term and social effect is making minds less tolerable to high-stress situations.

I keep reading the title as "propane! lol"

it's a beta-blocker. used to lower blood pressure, and supress the fight-or-flight response. I just ordered some inderals not too long ago, good stress killer (and stress does kill you) without the withdrawal like benzos.
psychonauts used to take them to quell body load from phenethylamines like mescaline and lucky 7.

it's an old-school anxiolytic, tried and true since the late 50's. yep, certainly not new or profound; one that is fairly profound is tianeptine.... it acts in a counterintuitive way to most antidepressants...by enhancing serotonin reuptake.

and to answer your question... people meditated. dependency depends on whether or not your body really needs it, not whether or not your mind thinks it does (not to say that your mind can't perpetuate its own demise)

Personally, I think the pill is a breakthrough in helping patients with severe problems overcome some of the major difficulties in their lives. I have met people who suffer from ptsd and rape victims who have had severe problems functioning in daily life because of previous memories haunting them from day to day. Though there is an ethical concern, I think that most people shouldnt rely heavily on medication to fix their problems. I would suggest therapy, or therapy AND medication combined [since therapy helps regulate medication use]. The phrase, "going to therapy," has always had always a negative connotation in today's society because most people think that therapy is for "crazies," when in doubt, it is very beneficial for anyone who decides to have their problems addressed in a healthy manner. Now, I am not saying that therapy works for anyone, but it is helpful to get the issue out and build on from there. Anyhow, to a normal person, the thought of a pill that helps erase memories is scary, but to those who really suffer from such illnesses such as ptsd, rape, etc, it comes as a relief.

I'm coming around to the use of psychotropic medications. I've just been bothered by the fact that because these medications are prescribed by physicians, and not psychiatrists 85% of the time, they are often times not combined with therapy. If the medications are used as a tool to face one's problems, as psychonauts do with psychedelics, then they will be extremely beneficial. However, the unethical use of anti-anxiety or anti-depressants is using it TO disconnect one from their painful memories, thus burying the problems further into the subconsious mind to be left undealt with. I worry this just makes the problem worse, not better. I understand some people's burdens can become too overwhelming to cope with but therapy and medicinal purposes should be about resolving the problem not covering it up. People are to learn and grow from their mistakes, not shove them to the side to be forgotten about. It would be nice if people weren't so reliant on prescription medications to solve their worries because there are other ways to deal with emotional turmoil. Looking inside one's self to change can be very helpful, along with keeping a journal and becoming consiously aware of how certain situations may bring about negative emotions. Humans have the power to adapt, and rise above their circumstances, and change - or one is just a victim. Afterall, when one hits rock bottom, the only person that can help a person out of the hole is themself because no friend, therapist, or anti-depressant knows one better than themself.

i really really just wanted to type propranoLOL.

propranolololol

aside from that, everyone has different genetic makeups, thus different body chem. an example of this is tolerance to certain analgesics and some antidepressants; if a person is lacking a sufficient concentration of CYP2D6, downing 20 oxycontins won't do any good.

the other pharm dilemma is rebound effect. dopamine antagonists and SSRIs are notorious for this. quitting cold turkey after an extended period of administration can be hellish. weaning someone off a drug can take a while.

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Originally posted by djfaulk05: Personally, I think the pill is a breakthrough in helping patients with severe problems overcome some of the major difficulties in their lives. I have met people who suffer from ptsd and rape victims who have had severe problems functioning in daily life because of previous memories haunting them from day to day. Though there is an ethical concern, I think that most people shouldnt rely heavily on medication to fix their problems. I would suggest therapy, or therapy AND medication combined [since therapy helps regulate medication use]. The phrase, "going to therapy," has always had always a negative connotation in today's society because most people think that therapy is for "crazies," when in doubt, it is very beneficial for anyone who decides to have their problems addressed in a healthy manner. Now, I am not saying that therapy works for anyone, but it is helpful to get the issue out and build on from there. Anyhow, to a normal person, the thought of a pill that helps erase memories is scary, but to those who really suffer from such illnesses such as ptsd, rape, etc, it comes as a relief.

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I'm coming around to the use of psychotropic medications. I've just been bothered by the fact that because these medications are prescribed by physicians, and not psychiatrists 85% of the time, they are often times not combined with therapy. If the medications are used as a tool to face one's problems, as psychonauts do with psychedelics, then they will be extremely beneficial. However, the unethical use of anti-anxiety or anti-depressants is using it TO disconnect one from their painful memories, thus burying the problems further into the subconsious mind to be left undealt with. I worry this just makes the problem worse, not better. I understand some people's burdens can become too overwhelming to cope with but therapy and medicinal purposes should be about resolving the problem not covering it up. People are to learn and grow from their mistakes, not shove them to the side to be forgotten about. It would be nice if people weren't so reliant on prescription medications to solve their worries because there are other ways to deal with emotional turmoil. Looking inside one's self to change can be very helpful, along with keeping a journal and becoming consiously aware of how certain situations may bring about negative emotions. Humans have the power to adapt, and rise above their circumstances, and change - or one is just a victim. Afterall, when one hits rock bottom, the only person that can help a person out of the hole is themself because no friend, therapist, or anti-depressant knows one better than themself.
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you're preaching to the choir, son. And while I share similar sentiments about the status quo, you have to realize that diagnosing, and matching the meds to fit the diagnosis, is big business. And that's what westerners understand...business, and quick fixes...convenience. it's alot harder to take the time to meditate, which is similar to working out. it puts the mind at ease, but requires more work. but like weight loss, people would rather pop a pill than devote the time necessary to really address the problem. and for some issues, like severe tics (tourettes), acute schizophrenia....unfortunately, meditation won't address those; they require more rigorous therapy. but for common depression, and life's daily stressors... a deep meditation can work wonders.
some people pray, which is pretty much going through the motions and asking a higher power for something. actually taking initiative upon yourself to put your mind at ease is much more effective.

So do antidepressants deprive the body of producing dopamine and serotonin in the same way heroin deprives the production of natural opiates?

And what is CYP2D6 and analgesics?

BTW, this is Ash, Aaron's girlfriend. I didn't know it was you. See you Sat.