hahahaha...nice chemical molecule there.

meth is gross. anything up your orafices is gross.

nice try , but the reason nobody notices is because they are things concieved at different times in my life. but yes, meth makes you paranoid. thats for sure.

I don't see how you can compair a pot-head to a tweeker.

Not even the same thing.

why, because "pot is natural" ?

both potheads and tweakers have their respective idiosyncracies regarding their habits, emphasis on habits

and both potheads and tweekers are dirty and forgetful.

you jsut bought a gram from me last night foo? lol jk props dog good looking out!!

Even though that was in jest, I must claim, as a pothead, to be neither dirty nor forgetful. I have known stoners who were both, admittedly, but these cliches never seem to find their way into my personal experience.

Here are some blanket observations from personal experience with people hooked on speed:

delusional behavior
extreme paranoia
extreme mood flutuation
the 'I have it all figured out, and I'm going to be RICH!!!!!!' syndrome
the 'I am GOD' syndrome
the 'big plans' syndrome (also see the 'I have it all figured out, and I'm going to be RICH!!!!!!' syndrome and the 'I am GOD' syndrome)

Most stoners I know are SLIGHTLY less dysfunctional than that.

Also, weed doesn't seem to be hard for me to put down in the same way cigarettes (for example) are.. I may experience a slight urge to spark up if I don't have any, but I'm not going on any stupid quests to the pawn shop just to get stoned.

i mos def agree with alan. pot has many more positive aspects to be gained from it as well. im not aware of any cultures throughout history that have regarded meth as a healer or a recource. pot has had quite a different legacy. i will oncqure with the fact however that it is possible to consume to much pot (like i have been this weekend, its so fucking nice here )

If I may address this court of judges.

I find it quite disturbing how people with eating disorders, sexual perversions and other issues have the gall to throw stones at addicts.

When I moved here, I was not a meth addict. I wish I had never been introduced to the drug. It is the hardest thing I have ever tried to kick.
I have been drug free before and I will be drug free again, but I don't need you dickheads to be throwing stones at people who are caught in a trap that they cannot escape.

Obviously you all know someone who is trying to quit meth. If you care about them, do anything you can to help them. For me, personally, I'm
OK until I see the shit. Then it's all over. Everytime I quit, someone shows up with "some really good shit" and just breaks it out without even asking me if I'm interested or not. It's too late then.

I thank those who have encouraged me to quit and offered alternatives to me. I believe we are making some progress.
Those of you who think addicts are worthless losers should just shut the fuck up and go take a look in the mirror. You've got your own demons, you fuckin hipocrites!!! Let the one without vice cast the first stone.

I once knew a woman who thought she was better than "tweakers" but after I got to know her, I was glad that I didn't have her issues. Imagine being drug free and still fucked up in the head.

Those of you who think that you are better than tweakers should just be glad that you have not had to bear this cross. Don't think for a minute that you are immune to addiction. Addictions come in many forms and they can be very insidious to their victims.

Think about that next time you go on an eating binge or spend your next paycheck at the horse track. No matter who you are, you know an addict.
Show them love and understanding. DON"T JUST GIVE UP ON THEM.

Help them any way you can!!!!!!

Excuse me, I have a splinter in my eye.

Peace to you haters,
Cypher

...a trap they have created for themselves by their own free will.

their is no addiction... only weakness.

ill clear the slate and say that i never called "addicts" pieces of shit , but it didnt take me creating a terminal lifestyle of dependancy to figure out that the shit is bad. it shouldnt be that hard for anyone to figure out really.

if you cant be in a room with it , then live knowing that an inanimate substance is stronger than your infinite mind. -- if that doesnt tell a person something, they are way out of touch with themselves and closer to suicide than they can imagine.

Well, I have never had anyone with an eating disorder or a sexual perversion steal my television to sell it and get a fix. However, a certain former friend of mine who was addicted to meth did.

True story. I never bought another tv, and I somehow feel that the bastard did me a favor by getting rid of the insidious device. I haven't owned a television in 10 years. It's taken some getting used to having one around again (my roomie is a total tv addict).

Oh yeah, and just a quick aside, if you consider my being gay a sexual perversion, you're uneducated and ignorant imo. But back to the subject.

Understand: my opinion of people who are in the throes of a meth addiction come from personal experience. Also understand that I have fought hard for my friends who are unfortunate enough to become addicted to various substances, at least until they decide to fuck me over royally and show me that I'm worth nothing to them.

Fight that shit with all your strength. It's going to take all you've got to beat it, but it's definitely possible if you stick to your guns. I have several friends as living proof (and a couple dead ones and one in jail to show what happens if you don't).

Well, I have never had anyone with an eating disorder or a sexual perversion steal my television to sell it and get a fix. However, a certain former friend of mine who was addicted to meth did.

True story. I never bought another tv, and I somehow feel that the bastard did me a favor by getting rid of the insidious device. I haven't owned a television in 10 years. It's taken some getting used to having one around again (my roomie is a total tv addict).

Oh yeah, and just a quick aside, if you consider my being gay a sexual perversion, you're uneducated and ignorant imo. But back to the subject.

Understand: my opinion of people who are in the throes of a meth addiction come from personal experience. Also understand that I have fought hard for my friends who are unfortunate enough to become addicted to various substances, at least until they decide to fuck me over royally and show me that I'm worth nothing to them.

Fight that shit with all your strength. It's going to take all you've got to beat it, but it's definitely possible if you stick to your guns. I have several friends as living proof (and a couple dead ones and one in jail to show what happens if you don't).

tweekers stink ... literally!

and Dom ... like I told you the other night ... i'm glad you kicked it ... fuckin good move man!

I am watching someone now fall prey to the Meth use...I am probably older than most on this site and I will tell you that Meth is the Devils Dandrift....it will kill...stay away....this is for anyone wanting to try.

I don't know what dandrift is, but I've seen people do meth and crack, they both turn bored people with no willpower into real degenerates.
Although those substances have a bit more addiction potential, that could apply to any substance. Meth doesn't kill, gluttony does.

I've also known people who've tried meth/crack, shrug it off, and not become addicted.

individual response varies.

This is one of the scariest threads I have ever read...

i hate tweakers and never want to deal with those evil soulless creatures again.
there is nothing good about meth. nothing. nothing at all.
same goes for heroin users...

for the sake of argument, lets say that addiction is just an extreme form of weakness. i think it's hypocritical to dismiss someone's addiction (weakness) as absurd, which is how i'm reading your full response in this thread.

everyone has a major life affecting weakness of some type. it could be something with a strong social sigma like drugs and easily detectable by even a casual observer, or it could be something that society hasn't passed judgement on and is easily hidden even though it dramatically affects a person's life.

i don't think it's reasonable to dismiss a person as pathetic because they struggle with something that you don't. i'm not suggesting that you should feel bad for someone fighting an addiction, but to dismiss them as lesser humans because they're not able to beat off all temptation with their "infinite mind"...that's just mean spirited, unreasonable, and i think you're in for some surprises.

this discussion takes a turn if we're talking about someone who is willingly and knowingly self destructive, but i don't feel that's the target we're talking about here.

yes, i know i'm replying to a post from 2004.

andy

this thread needs more fucked up meth stories as an example as to why it shouldn't be done in the first place.

Ok, one time, this was in 2001...I was in H-town, and wanted to buy some smoke. I ended up at this tweaker's house who was a friend of a friend of mine, watched him shoot up some meth, watched him twitch like he was having a seizure from the shit, and ended up getting barricaded inside the house by said tweaker brandishing a gun for an hour while listening to his rantings about how he was gonna be the most powerful movie producer in hollywood. he forced me to read his "movie script" which was nothing but a bunch of garbled gibberish about half-baked government conspiracy theories. he then went to the bathroom to shoot some more meth, and I ran out and jumped into my car and sped off.

The end.

I've got more if you guys are interested.

i crazy drug stories.

post more.

*clears throat*

I was in Dallas several many years back with a girl that I worked with. She was from there, and we went up to visit her friends and do a bunch of speed. On the 4th day of no sleep, we were sitting in the backseat of one of her friend's car going who gives a shit where.

The driver ran over a black trash bag and about three miles down the road, she slams on the brakes. I say, "Um, WTF, mate?" to which she asks,

"Did I just run over a little black boy?"

I had a tweaker offer me 5 dollars to punch him in the eye last week.

more stories alan!

fixed