well, thats cool... but thats not really what I asked...

you claimed that Trent Reznor allowed this file to be used for promo purposes.. and you implied that you found it online... all I'm asking is where?

as far as Squarepusher, Plaid, Coil, Meat Beat Manifesto, Marilyn Manson... basically the whole Nothing Records crew... they don't have a label home anymore. Trent Reznor has nothing to do with running a record label anymore. But anyone who frequents Nothing Records' website, or nin.com would know that.

And yes, Tom(Squarepusher) was doing it way before Ableton. He was doing it with hardware, along with software, custom filters and plugins, and on and on... Ableton doesn't make IT easier... it still takes musical theory, knowledge of human emotions and how to tweak them, along with some technical know-how to produce quality tracks...

I don't care if homeboy used ableton, cubase, reason, acid, fruity loops, logic, nuedo, hardware, or his own fucking bodily releases of gas to produce the track, as long as the low-end is good, the drums are sharp and it make me break my fuckin neck. There is no need to be a pretentious asshole because you think something smells like Ableton, because I assure you--you can still create glitched out tracks with MANY various programs, or hardware. I know for a fact.

I don't hate on you for using pro-tools... I happen to use it myself, in addition to numerous other software/hardware solutions... fuck, I've even taken handfulls of rock and thrown them through glass, sampled, filtered and used it in a track... cost of THAT studio?

well, the glass was 15 bucks.. the rocks were free.. and the shitty radioshack mic was like another 15 bucks...

guess how much the advance was on that track... fuck a multi-million dollar studio.

Who have you worked with, where can we purchase your music.. where can we download your music... etc.

AND BTW... Trent Reznor wouldn't laugh at either of you... he'd sue your ass. Especially for posting unreleased tracks... go check the "Access" area of NIN.COM and read the Q&A about the leaked tracks... now how much of a laughing matter does it seem to him?

i found them here

http://spstuff.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6475

"I don't care if homeboy used ableton, cubase, reason, acid, fruity loops, logic, nuedo, hardware, or his own fucking bodily releases of gas to produce the track, as long as the low-end is good, the drums are sharp and it make me break my fuckin neck. There is no need to be a pretentious asshole because you think something smells like Ableton, because I assure you--you can still create glitched out tracks with MANY various programs, or hardware. I know for a fact."


relax.

I dont care either... Im just a bit trumped by the fact that someone wants to give lessons on panning, when his shit is just as mad as mine.

and abelton DOES make it easier for someome who has been doing them type of effects pre-abelton...

Id use to have to use my hardware samplers to stretch, stutter, sequence, manipulate..ect..ect...that shit took time and skill... now..a few envelopes and data entry make shit way easier....

which is cool...but im not here to get schooled. just trying to enjoy music.

Thats where i got the sample...to the remix

Sucks we had to get off on the wrong foot....

good luck with yalls music..



Peace.

foremost, I went to the site, it linked to 3 various places... 2 on this same server, and one that actually contained the music... and I see no place on that server, which contains said music, that shows any affiliation with Interscope, Nothing, or Trent Reznor... other than his music being on it... ya know, maybe this is an argument of semantics here... but copying even 30 seconds of audio and posting it on the internet is wrong.

a lot of effort goes into the marketing of NIN, and to see shitty rips online is madness. The entire package, down to the graphics and the case it comes in are part of a whole... maybe it's a personal preference... but it's still wrong to violate a copyright.

moving on, because I think that topic of conversation has been fully argued by both sides.

on the issue of the panning, his effects and synths are panning, whereas you have the drumloop panning... the track is almost distorted because you must be one of those "louder, must be better" kindof people... try to turn the actual NIN sample down some... it's a low quality rip, then encoded a second time to 128, losing about 20% of it's quality each time--turned up, it sounds like static, with a heavy bassline and Trent singing...

and at 128(twice) you might wanna fuck with the compression a little... shit sounds like it's coming from a tin can.

what kindof sound card you got in yer beast?

Also, I'd LOVE to hear some of your hiphop productions... downbeat, broken beat, electro, triphop, jazz, nu jazz type shit with a little bit of IDM and some turntablism is MY STYLE.

preferably playable ;)

I tend to get a lot of downloads on my mixes, and generally get rid of a lot of CD's...

"what kindof sound card you got in yer beast? "

Im using a Mbox and/or a MOTU MKII 2408

This Particular Remix the remix was made on: MPC 1000/S1000HD, Pro Tools/M Box, and a Roland JP8080 for some synths.

Yeah I know, the MP3 is Shit quailty, but I'm just fucking around...

I'll post some hip hop shit in a bit...

a bit of rnb, (i know )..But song is getting alot of attention..

Plus other misc snips..


VIP Produced by VOiD

Misc HH Beat Snip 1

Ha..(I know)

Some Dark Industrial Ish

Misc Sound Design

House-RMX-ALNU

RnB 02-Dan

Misc Club HH Beat

Movie-SD-Scene TUFC

haha dude im sorry but your tracks are unoriginal and lame. you remind me of those dime-a-dozen producers that used to come through the wreckshop everyday in houston.

you could have avoided all this banter if you just knew how to take a little bit of critisism. whats even worse is that you expect to not get critisism when you post something in a production forum. gime a break dude....

Un-Original? you prick..

at least im not some bedroom laptop producer, dropin drum loops and prepreped riffs and callin my self a producer... Unoriginal? your shit sounds like any other gitch music....get your head out of your ass. your music has no techinical skill, nothing. its cheap. probably even free.

what you "program" is nothing special, might as well be prepackaged, all your shit sounds the same...

another anrgy Bedroom producer, Upset cuz someone stopped by "your" forum...

there is always, always one of you. never fails.

"its not my steez, so um it lame.."

Peace.

hahaha. "my forum"... ( dont quote me on things i didnt say dipshit)

hey be happy , youve gotten the most replies on a track post in ages.

once again : if you cant handle being critiqued... then dont post your stuff

hahaha. youve only proven my point even further.

congratulations hoss... you STILL know jack shit

do you produce? what programs do you use? did you pay for them?
if you did, good for you. if you didn't, check yerself when you start moralizing about 'music theft'.

this thread was shite.

Peace

so THIS is what it takes to get this forum active. gotcha

I do pay for all of them...

Reason 2.5, cubase, acid, soundforge, protools, logic, nuendo

numerous(countless) plugins... etc...

oh, and I mix too... but I'm not talking about stealing for a rich ass company that makes programs and sells millions of copies at 400 bucks a copy+

I'm talking about labels that barely move 500 units.

your riding the BLA wagon my freind.

if you had just listed one or two i might have believed you, but as it is...

and just so it's clear, paying money for the blank cdr's which you burn the programs on doesn't constitute 'owning the license'.

and please let me know what the cutoff revenue intake is which designates a 'rich ass company' so i know i can steal from them worry-free.

just because YOU steal, doesn't mean I do...

I have, however, handed out a few copies of choice programs on more than one occassion. So maybe I am equally as guilty... I steal from huge corperations, not small as producers... or even rich producers...

I respect artists, not big business.

ill admit it. i pirate music. i dont have $14-$20 to spend on buying an album so ill dl it. are you telling me that if i dont have the money to listen to the music i want, i shouldnt?

I am saying that if a person who produces their music has decided that you must pay for a license to listen to that music, they are the one who has decided that you should have to pay to listen to it.

Should you be able to steal from them? No, you shouldn't.

You shouldn't sneak into parties because it costs promotors and artists don't get paid then... same with stealing music... it costs money to pay for the equipment and the software(I would hope that they don't pirate it themselves) used to produce music...

even for MP3 releases...

if they don't want to hand their labor out, thats their right.