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PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2002 12:26 pm 
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hmmm........
so.. who's used the DJM3000? looks like a tight little box, but i dislike the wide, short form of it... looks tight though.


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After playing on 500s, 600s and a host of 10 inch mixers, 19 inch mixers seem too big to me. What extra features if any does the DJM3000 have?

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The ability to mix tracks spontaneously and seamlessly is central to a DJ's success and accordingly, this unit answers the need for the highest possible levels of flexibility.

As well as inheriting effects such as Delay, Echo, Auto Pan, Flanger, Pitch Shifter Reverb, Auto-Transform and Auto-Frequency Filter from the DJM-600, this new model also incorporates an industry-first: Effect Mix Mode. It utilizes 3 effects (Echo, Zip and Roll) to transition from one song to the next in a BPM Linked Operation. The Roll Mix Effect is new to Pioneer. It effectively creates a drum build before segueing into the next song.

Flexible Functions

The DJM-3000 boasts an Auto BPM Counter too, yet another outstanding legacy of Pioneer's expertise in the mixing arena. Recognized as the most accurate internal "Beat Per Minute" counter in the industry, the Auto BPM automatically measures and digitally displays a track's tempo from 70-180 BPM. This allows for the instant synchronization of BPM and effect, enabling the DJ to seamlessly merge one track into another.

For tracks that are difficult to measure, DJs can use the Tap button to manually input the BPM and then refer to the Beat Indicator for confirmation that the required beat is linked to the Auto BPM. With the music beat in view in this way, DJs are able to mix tracks with different beats much faster and more easily.

Linked to BPM, the DJM-3000 can add effects to each input (Channel, Mic and Master) independently. Moreover, the DJ can perform quick setting with the Beat Unit Switch button and adjust the precise time parameters, or else control the balance between the effect sounds and the original sounds by varying the mix ratio. Even when using the fader, it's possible to leave just the effect sounds without linking to BPM.

The DJM-3000 is equipped with a separate 3-band equalizer (HI/MID/LOW) for each channel. This arrangement allows the stress of the instrument sounds to be adjusted within the range -26dB to +12dB.

As a result of combining these user-friendly features within a club-toughened shell, the DJM-3000 scales the heights of mixing technology today and allows DJs to reach the summit of play-out performance.
Key Features & Functions
Digital Output
Most mixers only have analog output, so this feature increases the options by allowing DJs to connect to a digital PA system, MD or DAT player, or any other device with digital input.

Effect Mix Mode

Easily and accurately effects phrases in a BPM-linked operation.

Effects Section:
Delay
Produces repeat beat effect.

Echo
Repeated sounds that fade for echo effect.

Auto-Pan
Automatically switches sounds between left and right speakers.

Auto-Transformer
Cuts sounds at requested beat. Auto Filter: creates effects by manipulating sound frequencies.

Auto-Filter
Creates effects by manipulating sound frequencies.

Flanger
Produces an electronic wave effect. Reverb: a range of reverberation effects.

Reverb
A range of reverberation effects.

Pitch Shifter
Manipulates music pitch within +/- 1 octave.

Send/Return
Connects available peripherals (external effects input/output).

Beat Effects
Effects dial for complete control over effect intensity.
Effects range enables sound effects on 1/4, 1/2, 1/1, 2/1, 4/1, 8/1 beats.

Auto BPM
• Beat measurement, from 70-180 BPM.
• Automatic synchronization between BPM and effect.
• Beat Indicator shows when the required beat is linked to Auto BPM.

Additional Features
• Adjustable Talk Over level control - mutes all levels apart from microphone.
• Mic Switch (Mic Off/Mic On/Talk Over).
• 7 Line Inputs.
• 4 Turntable Inputs.
• Switchable Phono/Line Inputs.
• 4 Fader Start Inputs.
• 3 Mic Inputs (1 x Neutric, 2 x 1/4 inch).
• Headphone Monitor Split/Headphone auditioning.
• Recording outputs.
• Reinforced headphone jacks.
• Frequency Response of 20Hz-20kHz (CD).
• Signal to Noise Ratio 87db (CD).
• Total Harmonic Distortion Rate 0.02% or less (CD).

Optional Rotary Faders

Pioneer now gives the DJ the option to change the faders on the DJM-3000 to rotary faders. To purchase this option just contact your local PRO DJ dealer and quote DJC-3000RV - the rotary fader option should be installed by a Pioneer approved service center.


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a bunch of cool shit no one needs (imo). as far as i'm concerned a 600 has more options than anyone needs. as it stands now, the 600 is the most complicated / featureful mixer i would ever want to use.

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It utilizes 3 effects (Echo, Zip and Roll) to transition from one song to the next in a BPM Linked Operation. The Roll Mix Effect is new to Pioneer. It effectively creates a drum build before segueing into the next song.


Whoopee, now rich noobs can just buy this and convince themselves they can mix!

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i like the 600 too but damn that thing is overpriced.. i mean its a 4 track mixer with effects!!! you can buy a studio 16 channel mixer with effects for 5-600 dollars. Pioneer made this mixer a while back and havent' changed the price. As technology advaces.. the cost goes down... they are just ripping people off. I say it cost them 100 do make that thing


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Probably more than $100. I'd put it at $300. Think of all the work (brainpower and labor) it takes to put it together. There are a lot sub contractors involved, as well as the engineering that goes into such a product. Still pricey though.

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Think of all the work (brainpower and labor) it takes to put it together. There are a lot sub contractors involved, as well as the engineering that goes into such a product. Still pricey though.



They have robots building that thing. Japan owns more than 50% of all the robots in the world. The country is the size of california and is 80% mountainous. Each fader costs about a dollar, i say that the effects unit costs roughly 30.00 to make. knobs are about 10-20 cents each. I wouldn't be surprised if they bought them for 5 cents each in massive bulk quantities. They have lowcost workers assembling everything. The mixer retails for about 700.00 dollars over in japan. (i bought 2 NEW technics 1200mk3d for 300.00 each over there)


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I'd suggest anyone looking to buy a pricey DJM, do a little research and find out what stores carry b-stocks of them. B-stocks are mixers that had to go through the line twice for one reason or another. Nothing really wrong with them, but as such, they are typically a couple hundred bucks cheaper.

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i want an allen and heath, but the effects on the gemini are just too amazing to let go of. ;]

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the VCF's on the xone series put pre-programmed effects to shame! and to boot, a&h has just about the best audio quality, awesome build quality, and a nice classic look to boot. high end stuff :D

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After owning one for 3 yrs...I'd say PIONEER mixers are CHEAP. When I bought the thing I figured it was a solid mixer. I've taken care of this mixer...its been to maybe 2 or 3 shows. My potentiometers are fucked....crossfader and headphone jack need work. I'm mad at pioneer because I spent 850 for this thing...Now I need 150$ + worth of work done to it.

On the other hand...ALLEN & HEATH make some solid mixers. Its like having a RANE crossed with the effects of a rack mount unit. Its a lil pricey at about 700$ but it'll last longer than any pioneer.

The #1 thing I can say to make a mixer last long is dont let anyone else play on it. Some people have no concept of being gentle with expensive equipment...

I believe it was called an XONE:32 or something ...check em out if you can find one.

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I shopped long and hard for the xone:32 ... most places seem to want about $800 for them... and they are not carried by many places either.

http://www.performanceaudio.com

^ best deal I could find - they dont post prices on the web... but for some reason i figured i'd email them and find out... they quoted me $650 :o

i keep hearing more and more stories of DJM's breaking or needing serious work... just getting plain out f*ct .. makes me wonder.

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Earthtek wrote:
The #1 thing I can say to make a mixer last long is dont let anyone else play on it. Some people have no concept of being gentle with expensive equipment...

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you said it ,

people dont know how to handle a mixer .

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my friend has a 3000 and even though it is wide it is very user friendly, it took us like 2 weeks to master it and that effect mix is really tight well worth the money he spent


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too much bullshit, don't need effects if you can actually mix.


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I've got a DJM 600 and I will agree about it breaking down. I *baby* my gear.. and already the auto beat buttons are starting to wear out. Some of the EQ knobs are starting to wear out also. I dig the effects but I don't think I would buy another one. Also, I found that the 500/600 have a 'cold' sound to them. Very sharp sound... If I had to get another mixer, then I don't think I would buy the 3000.

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if i remember correctly, despite it's newness, the djm3030 is CHEAPER than the 600...

and out of curiosity, has anyone played on or owned a tascam x-9. it's setup almost just like the 600, but is supposed to be quiet a bit better. i was wondering in particular about the durability of it vs. the 600?!?!

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i think all that stuff is for mixing cds ...blah

a+h has 2 mid ranges i hear which would be great for techno


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as far as the 500/600 mixers are concerned, i think they are good and bad. the effects are always a plus and fun to use, but the sound compression that they have is horrible. there is a big difference in sound quality (when hooked up to a big system) between the 500/600 in comparison to a rane rotary mixer which many of the biggest clubs in the world have.


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