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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2003 11:14 am 
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i thinnk i am gonna go see it again tonight, so instead of reloaded I'll be OVERLOADED!!!

THUPER THANKTH FOR ATHKING!!!! :badteeth:

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large matrices(which it seems that the matrix in the movie is GIGANTIC) can be broken down into smaller matrices that have their own unique identities and properties from the original matrix....its similar, but not alike...(thats probably as far as all that goes)


I've taken Linear Algebra as well. It's very easy to take caclulations on matrices and divide them up as operations on sub-matrices. This has generally been of enormous benefit to scientific computing as they can take operations on enormous matrices, think millions of rows/columns in more than 3 dimensions, and distribute them across thousands of processors. However, the "outside world" still wasn't tinted green like everything we know to be inside The Matrix.

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it could be that zion IS actually part of a larger matrix that is all controlled by the creator....how else would he know so much about the "real" world and how zion would be defeated......


The Architect existed before The Matrix and thus obviously exists in the real world.

Here is a link to the dialog between Neo and The Architect: http://www.theantitrust.net/articles/vi ... icleid=108


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The Matix Reloaded is now showing at the Imax. Although it doesn't fill up the entire screen from what I read in the Weekender. The guy said it was still big but there was a little room around the edges. The sound was also supposed to be amazing. I'm gonna have to go check it out sometime.


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DAISHI wrote:
Neo's choice contradicted prior versions and thus introduced a new anomaly into the equation, thus distinguishing himself from the rest. It's like when you're a decimal off the mark but if you keep moving off the mark generation after generation eventually being off a miniscule fraction will create massive deviations from the original program.


much like chaos theory


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but then how does neo actually feel the sentinals in the "real" world and stop them. either zion and the real world are part of the matrix or neo really is the one.


That, my boy, is the entire point of the 3rd movie.

Here's a possible explaination: Machines depends on the energy/heat drawn from The Matrix for an "optimal" level of survival (the Architect said that the machines were "prepared to accept a certain level of survival") so it's not such a far reach to believe that all Machines are in-fact plugged into The Matrix in some manner. Neo has supreme control within The Matrix, it's not such a far reach to see that Neo could also have control over things plugged into The Matrix from outside of the Matrix. The Matrix is broadcast through the air, it's not such a far reach to think that all machines could be continuously plugged into it. Furthermore, it's not such a far reach for Neo to be able to tap into underlying air streams from The Matrix without the use of a direct tap. Neo's ability to sense and destroy the machines would there for be a reflection of his ability to sense and manipulate The Matrix. While there is a world outside of The Matrix, The Matrix permeates the real world.



I am in close agreement with your views...if the what they call the real world isn't outside of the Matrix, then why didn't Neo ever realize that before? Why was it right after he made such a pivotal choice that he is able to detect a difference? Also, the sentinels did not freeze in the air as would be expected in the Matrix; they fizzled out electrically. Finally, regarding Smith, it is not too farfetched to imagine his "consciousness" imbedded into a human being in the real world; after all, agents do morph from person to person inside the Matrix. The two worlds are interlinked, one being inside the other. Evidence of this view is the man cutting his own hand to see if it bleeds for real or if he can feel actual pain.


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i'll add to this...


remember, there are two main programs, if you will...


The architect created the Matrix... then another program came in to see why some people rebelled against the matrix and how to deal with them...

People think that was "the oracle"... when Neo said that, the architect was like "please..." as if to say "nukka, please... you don't know shit..." so the Oracle may or may not be the "mother" program...


IF she is... then chances are she realized that the anomolies (everyone who resisted the Matrix) needed SOMEthing to look forward to... ie Hope... so she probably created ANOTHER matrix with the main matrix... this matrix would be considered "the real world" where people stil had hope in survival... either thru army tactics (like the general in Zion) or via The One.

So, chances are, Neo is piped into the "real-world" matrix and able to manipulate it, too... but the strain was probably too great seeing as he thought it was the real world... something like a psycho-somatic shock or something....

Also, it could be that neo has totally changed the program seeing as he did NOT make the choice that the architect was banking on...

remember, the architect said that the other Ones didn't have a SPECIFIC love... just a GENERAL love for humanity... so when given the choice, they'd chose the path that gives humans more HOPE... starting over and trying again... he chose to sasve one specific person... and Zion was destroyed...

Also, the notion of a matrix within a matrix is given further substantiation because now, an AGENST SMITH is in the "real world"... remember, he did the merge thing... then picked up the phone and "logged off" of the matrix... that's why he was cutting himself in the real world... b-c he had never felt pain or other sensations... never bled... never saw blood... it was all new to him... yet and still he was still trying to kill Neo... which is why that guy was over-looked by the sentinels when they attacked Zion... that IS agent smith in the real world now....

and when you look at it...

each time THE ONE made it to the architect (there were 6 others times), they basically started over... going from a few people to a full blown ZIon city with all those people....?!?!? You know how long that would take?!?!

The world is probably ALOT more fucked up than we think at this point....


my hope is that IF they truly wake up in the REAL "real world" in the end of part three, that the world would be EXTREMELY fucked up and possibly unliveable by human standards....

This was a perfect bridge movie..


contrary to what was said on this board, there was nothing new really introduced visually in this movie that hadn't already been done before between CROUCH TIGER HIDDEN DRAGO and even THE CELL... what it was, however, was a wonderful bridge movie, much like the second Lord of the Rings...

Now if only George Lucas would get off his ass and learn how to actually make a MOVIE beyond the special effects, then the star wars trilogy might be salvaged.

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Reloaded = setup for Revolutions. Done and done.

The more I watch them, the more stuff I catch.

Thoughts having seen the entire Trilogy? I thought the ending was perfect, the fight inside Zion was amazing.


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the 3rd flick was a cash grab.

there was nothing that could not have been done with a 30-45 min addition to the first one.

the first 2 I loved the 3rd was ok. it was lacking the mind bending questions, yet gave almost no answers...

I see it as a way for them to double their income.

both filmed togeather, instead of paying to shoot 2 movies just one long one... WAYYYYY cheaper.

then they gaurentee that people will go to see the last one after the clifhanger of a second one.

actualy I was kinda pissed, if the 2nd one was like the 3rd I would not have gone to see the 3rd when it came out, I would have rented it.

you see the way i see it is if this was a 4 part and there was another...

this one would have been better so you would buy the last one.

cash grab.


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