There is supposed to be a show tonight on the misconceptions about ecstasy. Anyone know any details?? Time? Channel?

watched part of it last night...the usual stuff

1 group of speakers (DEA, prosecutors, etc) saying it's bad

1 group saying it's good (the guy who started making it in Dallas)

shots of raves, shots of older 80's clubs

it really looked like it was out to discredit a lot of the government tests done on it...

Part of the reason they may have seemed out to discredit research that is funded by the government is because one of the foremost researchers into MDMA who is governmentally funded, George Ricaurte, and his research team had to retract their research findings (which were highly condemning of MDMA) after it was realized that they had administered methamphetamine to monkeys instead of MDMA.

it was the only ecstasy special i watched that i felt like i wasnt getting fed a bunch of BS... it was a good deal... got both sides of the argument

anything that makes me feel great for 6 hours and thats leaves me feeling like ass with a slamming head ache and feeling very depressed for 4 days can't be *that* good for you.

research or not.. that shit can't be good for you. the high aint worth the hang over or the dramma that surrounds it either.

It was a different slant I was surprised. It even pointed the fact that those 2 exstacy commercials that have the parents talking about their kids dying are the only 2 cases on record of kids dying from X. But the way they are ran it might give the perception that it more kids have died than 2. It would be like running commercials about a "piano falling" on someone but the probability of it occuring is infintile. We all know how much more dangerous these psycotropic drugs that are peddled by the drug companies are and how many deaths and injuries that have occured as a result but they are still legal.

no joke.

e is a pathetic fucking drug.

there's so many better substances. EOS.

i smoke beer.

http://www.jivemagazine.com/column.php?pid=1769

About the show last night. Wether X is a pathetic drug or not the government is using it to try to shut down everything which is wrong! EOS
And enlight of several other facts its regoddamndiculous too. I was very happy with the out come of last nights show.

agreed.

I've only had one batch of E that gave me the day after depression shit

guess im just a light weight.. =)

Or you never got good shit.

agreed.

but e is honestly one of the *few* drugs I will chew out a friend for using. IMHO, it's as destructive as banging spoon-heated liquids.

there's no telling what u get nowadays when u buy ecstasy...by making it illegal it brought out the criminals to remanufacture and dilute a pure thing into nasty street drugs. Unless u were partying in the 80's to very early 90's, or in other countries I doubt very few if anyone here has ever taken pure MDMA

MDMA has excellent potential, both in recreational use and clinical use, but like all other substances, it's not for everyone and has the potential to be abused

also, no matter what anyone thinks of the drug, it has definitely proven itself to have especially unique psychopharmacological properties

and regardless of what stance anyone takes on its recreational use, we should use a proper and fair benefit-to-risk ratio in evaluating the possibility of its clinical use in cases of posttraumatic stress disorder and other ailments

that's very true...and recent studies have shown that the latest batches of Ecstasy are more adulterated with other substances and have lesser doses of actual MDMA than ever before...which basically translates into seeing an increasing number of complications from drugs being passed off as MDMA, a fact that unfortunately allows the government to distort the public view of MDMA even more

I seen it, he was rollin his balls suckin on a pacifier.

that seems to be a typical response from many users, and a reason I'm not a big fan of the stuff.

as an analogy, I compare it (the serotonergic rush/comedown) to the after effects of cocaine and meth use, as those drugs also give you a rush, then a harsh comedown as a result of depleted dopamine levels...not my idea of a good time.

I've been more partial to psychedelics; they have better potential for psychotherapy, as they bring more to the table than MDMA, and don't really interfere with neurotranny levels.

it depends on how you look at it, Ben...research has shown that certain precautions can be taken to limit the adverse effects of MDMA...and psychedelics tend to be longer lasting and have a longer list of potential adverse side effects...that's not very conducive to therapeutic use, for the most part, although some psychedelics have also shown great potential for therapeutic use

actually it was rats, but i thought the special was very unbiased. they had positive and negative aspects about the drug, but the negative parts didnt make me wanna throw something at the tv in disgust. my favorite part was the scientist talking about how hed prolly done it hundreds of times and he was like 50 something and didnt sound like his brain was all ate up. good for him.

Just for the record the show was the first I've seen that challenged the gov'ts fear factor advertising and its about damn time.

Now... at the risk of getting my cane kicked out from underneath me... back in the day (late 80's) they used to make e that tasted like sassafrass this stuff was pure love... no hang over and great. When the gov't began it's crackdown on e (much like their campaign on meth by attacking ephedra) ... they started scheduling the ingredients so manufacturers had to switch the chemicals... the e slowly deteriorated until u have whats out there today... just a vague shadow of the original love drug's glory.

justeve

Yea, I would say that the number one risk with ecstasy today is getting meth instead of ecstasy. Last time I did the stuff, I would guess it was about 20% ecstasy, about 40% speed, and about 40% meth. If they were selling it as what it really is, it wouldn't have been worth $5 let alone $20.