the united states of america = different religions.

different religions = different gods.

church and state MUST be seperated. education is a state institution. follow?

can anyone here tell me what happened when church ran state?

conclusion. pray to yourself. i dont want to hear about your god. i dont want you to hear about my god. why would A god give a shit about a football game? why should he pick your team over the other team? why create outcast? people are irresponsible. CHRISTIANS are iressponsible. you cant sit infront of your computer and tell me if we were to comply with ur bitching that certain people wouldnt be targeted for not praying or believing in your god. YOU CANT. im fucking hungry.

i think in every "religious war" you'll find ulterior motives behind them. if you really look into what any of these religions that have started wars you'll find that the religion actually preaches peace.

everyone here is already in hell.

There are always ulterior motives within any interaction. Religion has been used since ancient times as a means to manipulate the mass mindset.

It's called WORK!

now they just use television

this is true, but i wouldn't blame religion for that, i'd blame the masses.

"now they just use television"


The religion of a new generation.

let's get rid of tv before they start using it to get people to go along with wars...

oh wait... too late.

Both are to blame. EOS

bullshit.

let me reiterate the fact that these wars actually contradicted the belief systems of these religions. had these people actually been "following" the religion as they were supposed to, the wars never would have happened. they are idiots, it's their own damn fault.


it's like if i tell you "hey, don't touch that high voltage fence!" but you do it anyway, it's my fault? where's the logic there?
blaming religion is like taking that example and saying "well, keith was obviously listening to josh so it's josh's fault."

EOS.

A religion is made up of its followers. Written words are no more than dead static until those ideas are put in motion.

If you were to chart out this thread you would find that it makes the shape of a mobius strip.

this post made my head hurt.

Thats bullshit becuase no one ever follows the practices of thier religion. You have had sex before marrage. You have too contractided the belief system of your religion. If you did follow it like you were supposed to. Why? Why did you have sex before marrige it goes against the belief system. Becuase it was a system created by man.

People look to the leaders of thier religion for guidance, those leaders then use thier power to shape the people that follow them as they see fit. Under the name of god. This happens all the time, its not supposed to but it does.

Becuase religion is flawed, becuase it is led by humans, not god. Religion is man made. Religion cuases wars, murders, fires, terrorist attacks, etc. To follow god is not religion. If you are part of religion then you are part of a man made flaw to follow a leader that dictates your behavior as he sees fit. Not god.

The bible is not even in any form that is what it orignially written. It has been translated and "translated" by humans to lead other humans. You can not follow god anymore. Only a human who took what god told him (if he was real) and put his own spin on it to control other people. This is how it has always been. If you are in a religion you do not follow god. You follow a person.

Wrong. The "system" was not created by man. Man is here to follow it. The reason that people don't follow every single thing that we're "supposed" to do is because we are humans. We are not perfect.

People who are religious in any way follow the practices of their religion. They may have a harder time with some things than others, but, again, we are not perfect.

no, they do not let their beliefs overrun the classroom. i know this from speaking with them outside of class.

No it was not. It was by man. You even know that. Who wrote the bible? People. They were told by god what to write but it was written by people. And you just said it yourself they were human. Humans make mistakes and also seek power as humans, hence there is no proof that the written word of those humans was exactly what god wanted. You can never proove otherwise, unless god ccame down and started talking and saying they wrote that thing word for word you can never prove that as true.

Then on top of that, it was 2000+ years ago the transalation of that book is so far off from what exists today that ever if the people that did originally write it were exact word for word. It would have been lost in transalation since. For refrence to lost in translation examples please refer to http://www.engrish.com

you're right... but just think about what you've said for a moment. it comes down to what's wrong and what's right.
we all make mistakes, which gives us a choice of either:
a. saying those mistakes were wrong and thus being a hypocrite or
b. saying there is no such thing as "wrong" and continuing to make those mistakes, just to avoid being a hypocrite.
religions give structure to what is right and what is wrong... and i have never heard of a religion that says war is right.

just because some dumbfuck starts a war and claims to be chrisitian doesn't mean that it was because he was a christian, it's because he was a dumbfuck.

and there are people who blindly follow leaders and do dumb shit outside of religion too. to blame religion is just faulty logic. just because some A's are B's does not mean all B's are A's. it's really quite simple.

there are still versions of the bible in it's original language. sure it has been "passed down" but the basic ideas are still there... in other words there is no way people could have translated a "no war and violence is bad" to a "yes war and violence is good."
the search for God exists only in an individual's heart, not through other people... this is why socrates said "i cannot teach anyone anything, i can only make them think."
if you a christian and you are following a person instead of Christ, you are dumb and would probably start wars/etc whether you were in a "religion" or not.

I was thinking more like a downward spiral.

You follow the idea of god passed over time from people, you follow people. If you say you are a christian, you follow people, if you follow any practices or follow Jesus Christ you follow people, not god. The only way for you to follow god would be to never have heard of Jesus Christ and or God and felt him in your heart, and from there learned everything about him through some miracle like power. BUt you have not you have been taught by people, you do not follow god, you follow people. I know you would like to think otherwise but that is just not true.

what makes you think you understand my thought process? i'm not claiming to understand yours, although i was an agnostic (like you) until i was 17.

and you're dead wrong. i don't follow people, i followed the logic of existance, carefully weighed out all things (including things like losses in translation which are really not that relevant at all) and came to these conclusions on my own with the help of God and things i have witnessed in my lifetime.

even if i had never read the Bible or never heard the idea of theology i would have come to these conclusions... to me they are apparent and the only logical explaination for our existance and purpose.

i'm sorry but that's a cop out. get back to me when you have your 'philosophical proof' and i'll jump through the holes.

will do.

PWN

mikey ended the thread.

close now.

right after i get this link in.

http://members.aol.com/plweiss1/veritas.htm