i have the same problem...and i have been thinkin that its cuz i was using x a lot at one time....but ive been depressed a hella lot..and the last time i rolled was in october some time...the week after that i was so depressed that it actually passed thru my head to committ suicide...and i have never seriously contemplated that EVER....i have since rid my self of that notion but the depression is still there....

its a combination of many things....
1. lonliness since my best friend is still down in south texas
2. anxiety that i will NEVER find a suitable job w/ the economy in its current state...
3. general pessimism towards the world and the widespread trend of backstabbing and double dealing
4. lack of trust in people's word due to #3
5. uneasy feeling that the apocalypse is upon us


and i feel thatmy sets have been suffering because of all this...before i started feeling this way, my sets were more upbeat and happy sounding.....my sets were my release but latelyi just havent felt theinspiration to spin.....

now all im feeling is progressive and epic trance...and my sets really moody and sometimes deep...i really dont think i could get away w/ a setlike that at my upcoming gigs.......

I had a girl who was helping me get out of that rut...she didnt know she was..but she inspired me to play a few happy sets at some of the events that i played...but it soon came to a screeching halt...things have gotten really wishywashy....

i know its bad to put ur state of being on another person...especially w/o them being aware of it..but it was what i was feeling...its what im still feeling...ive got a gig comin up on the 23rd and i really need to get myself up for that...but thedepression has set in once again.....

maybe i need iron(can guys be anemic??)...maybe i need a slap in the face....i dont know...

but itsreally killin me....

yeah if u have listened to any of my past sets..like ones i recorded..not live..have been extremly depressing..
but live..i still manage to get that depressing feeling out..
u will feel it when u get up there

yes, guys can be anemic... but don't over do it on the iron. Too much iron is worse than not enough and can even cause liver problems worse than alchohol. If you want to load up on iron, it may be a good idea to take a regemine of milk thistle as well to help keep your' liver clean.
Here's what you do; Get some L-tryptophan and st. johns wort from the "drugs" isle at the grocery store and a whole bunch of turkey breast meat. Take the recomended dosage of L-tryptophan and st. johns wort on a regular basis, and eat lotsa turkey with every meal. Stay super hydrated to where your' piss is clear. Get between 8 and 10 hours of sleep every night/day or in a 24 hr. period.
If you follow this routine, you'll have kicked the chemical part of the depression in 3-4 days. If symptoms persist, you may have a more serious depression.

It's weird. I've never felt depressed after I've taken any kind of chemicals (least of all MDMA). But then again, I'm pretty much emotionless... hmm...

I wouldn't worry too much about it being the drugs. It's probably just a normal moodswing.

Yes, I know what you're describing when you talk about the "week after" feeling. It can be deceptive because it doesn't occur until 3 or 4 days later.

For me it kicks in once I start getting tired. I think I may be an extreme case but it just goes to show that everyones brain chemistry is different.

so where does the iron supplements come in?

cuz i really dont think its psychiatrist serious and i dont think its leftovers from the last time i rolled......it comes and it goes during the day...but mainly im just usually really really tired..and i cannever get up for work on time...nomatter what time i go to sleep....i could fall asleep at 10 and still not wake up at 7:30 or earlier...

it sux not having energy to party and battle the hangover the next morning only to do it again....

like i used to do in college all thetime....

get ur fat ass from in front of the computer..and go running..exercise..do more then play records..dont take iron..PUMP SOME IRON!..i know that was cheesey

yeh i should probably do more of that 2....i know new years resolutions are usually broken..but im sick w/ dis...

Tyrosine + DMAE = energy, concentration, and memory; take with OJ or other fruit juices

Tyrosine + DMAE (and even Ginko) = energy, concentration, and memory; take with OJ or other fruit juices

In response to the iron supplements question, iron is what transports oxygen from your' lungs to wherever your' body needs an electron acceptor in order to produce ATP which is what your' body uses for energy.

No you are not suffering from Clinical Depression as in you need to seek medical help more than likely! What you are suffering is depression from low levels of serotonin. When you roll the serotonin is lowered and so you are going to be in a funk when you come down. Best thing to do is either stop doing this drug or limit your use. Serotonin can be replaced quickly with a drug called HTP5's (something like that) if you want yourself to get back to your normal happy mood. People who suffer from clinical depression should avoid rolling as it will only make it worse.

You should read more before you post.

good advise.
let me add a few things, though.

first, forget the L-tryptophan - it's metabolized by the body into 5-HTP anyhow. you can get 5-HTP where you can get l-typtophan. I'd recommend the 50mg gelcaps, preferably from natrol. they are best taken later in the day when the brain's serotonin system is most active. for recovery from mdma use, atleast 2 per day is recommended if you ask me (100+mg, but i wouldnt exceed 200mg) - 5-htp doses are MUCH lower than L-tryptophan (50-100mg 500-1000mg, 10x diff!)

and.. other vitamins you should take: magnesium and b6, both factors in the serotonin sythisis process. coenzymed b6 is highly recommended. vitamin c, generally good. vitamin e, antioxidant with primary effects on the heart and brain, two main places mdma will put a stress on...

I have been reading about, but have yet to try, SAM-e which is also supposed to up serotonin levels. dont take my word on that one, my research on SAM-e is limited, so i wont go into many details here... but it's an interesting thing to research, it's still quite new.

on a sidenote, the reason he recommends turkey is because it's one of the best natural sources of L-tryptophan.

also.. I would say, migity, that your depression probably isnt related to your mdma usage from what you've stated. however, the mentioned ways to help restore your chemical balance after mdma usage can also help pull you out of a rut even if you havnt taken anything... :)

good luck!

Drugs effect everyone differently.
My brain doesn't really release the seratonin it makes properly, so I had waaaaay too much seratonin in my brain and it wasn't going to the right places.
I had tried ALL kinds of meds to "fix" me.
I rolled for several years, and my bouts with depression have become less and I no longer require meds, which is weird for me since I have been medicated for "depression" and ADHD for years.
Now I'm a lot calmer and learned to control my sadness and do something constructive with it.
It could be age, too. I've learned over the years that if some one makes you feel down about yourself, then you kick them to the curb with no regrets. I mean, hell, the only person in this world that should truly matter the most to you is yourself.
I hope you get out of your funk. I know how hard it is. If I didn't have REALLY good friends, I don't think I would be alive right now.
I was SEVERELY suicidal b4 I ever rolled. Then afterwards, for some reason I just STOPPED thinking that way. I don't roll anymore and I really don't have the desire, too, but I think it truly changed my life in a good way.
I have friends who describe what you're talking about and I even have friends who become violent if they haven't rolled in awhile. They go into bouts of anger and agression towards EVERYONE around them. It scares me.
I guess I'm one of the lucky ones that came out of their experience with ecstacy. who knows. I just know I'm a different person and A LOT of my old friends prefer me this way. They say I have done a complete turnaround. I am VERY independent and VERY calm compared to my past self. Hopefully, I stay this way.

i stand by my formula:

500mg l-Tyrosine/500 mg DL-phenylalanine in the morning, 750mg GABA w/inositol in the afternoon (optional), 500mg 5-HTP at night. Lane knows the deal with this; it's very effective.

fruit punch smoothie with 1000mg choline powder dissolved in boiling water, and 1000mg Tyrosine, and 20 drops gingko, and honey. add crushed ice, swirl in blender, and serve

exactly.

Neither do I. I feel cracked out the next day but that's about it. It's just probably what's goin on in your life man. I'm depressed but I know why. It's not drugs I don't use those enough. Lots of things can bring on depression, but you just have to know yourself in order to get to the bottom of it.

depression is ultimately brain chemistry in nature, regardless if it's brought on by life experiences, or substance use/abuse

damn ben that's agressive, if that doesnt do the trick NOTHING will!

the smoothie recipe I got from the ol' Hyperreal nootropics archive; it was called "Renew You"

as for the Tyr-GABA-H,Tryp....that's meant for when you're REALLY down or stressed.

i'd favor boosting neurotrannies over inhibitory drugs, depending on the circumstances (i.e. feeling all jaded from rolling/tripping etc.)

nice.. good ole hyperreal.

yea, id say so... or when you REALLY need to recover from too many serotonin destroying substances..

and dopamine depleters too, like coke, meth, and other stimulants

that's what the tyrosine is for.

I think the serotonin depletors he was talking about also destroy dopamine.