during 98- '01, there were pills cut w/ heroin and other pills cut with speed....
true or false?

isnt the whole idea of cutting a pill to save money?

you should ask two questions, because I believe one is false and one is true.

Yes, ....
The shitty part of buying things on the black market is that you don't know exactly what is in them. I know what both speed and heroin feel like and I've got E pills with both (not at the same time).
This is the shittiest thing about the black market next to getting ripped off. I wish they would end prohibition already.

I remember H-bombs....

It fucking sucks... I don't want to stay up for the next 30 hours or loose my lunch.

heroin is not active orally. period.

otherwise heroin addicts would eat it.

this was, is, and always will be a bullshit rumor started by kids who have no idea what heroin feels like, have never done it, and say shit like this to sound hardcore.

eat my ass.

i'm no expert on the subject, but check out http://www.pillreports.com. speed (ie: different forms of meth) in a pill is heard of, but i have always heard that heroin in a pill doesn't make sense for many reasons (cost, effects, etc), and i haven't seen any pill reports that tested positive for heroin.

again, i'm not authoritative on this issue, but everything i've ever seen indicates that heroin in a pill is highly, highly unlikely.

andy

aside from the fact that the pills these kids say have heroin in them, FEEL NOTHING FUCKING LIKE HEROIN OR ANY OTHER OPIATE.

some people believe that it is to get you addicted to the ecstasy.

hahaha... but this is no laughing matter.

leave opiates to the l337

that's the dumbest thing i've ever read in this thread.

"it's only addictive if you inject it!"

sounds like something a dealer says to get somebody hooked. i've personally met herion addicts that ate their herion. they would mix it in with water and drink it down.

dipshit learn to read plz.

i didnt say its only addictive if you inject it

i said its damn near worthless if you eat it

refer to stats below

Intra-veineous Heroin Dosages
w/ no tolerance w/ heavy tolerance
Common 5 - 10 mg 20 - 40 mg
Strong 8 - 15 mg 40 - 60 mg

Smoked Heroin Dosages
Common 15 - 25 mg
Strong 20 - 30 mg

Oral Heroin Dosages
Common 50 - 70 mg

see here. someone woudl have to do 10 times as much heroin in their mouth as they would into their arm, assuming theyre just a casual user (and if theyre eating it, im sure they are)

so. your friends are either incredibly stupid and wasteful(very possible), or have lots of money to blow on heroin.

(stats lifted from erowid.org)

im not saying any pills have ever been cut w/ heroin, in fact, i doubt it. but if it were (and assuming it was cut at a high enough percentage to have a noticable effect), it would be difficult to tell what the pill was cut by the feel the combination produced. this would be due to the fact that the two substances are polar opposites - one is a strong stimulant, the other is a strong depressant. i doubt you'd feel like you'd taken a bit of e and a bit of heroin.

the issue here is not dosages, it's whether it's addictive or not. you stated taking herion orally is not addictive, but that is simply not true.

It has to be active to be addictive.

and the amount that would be ingested in a ecstasy pill size couldn't be active if ingested orally.

STFU josh.

fact is H doesnt cross into the blood stream (or thru the BBB) orally... just doesnt make it past the digestive system in any reasonable quantity.

"h-bombs" generally refer to pills containing a good portion (or all) of MDE, not MDMA.

MDE is more stoning and downing than MDMA/MDA. thus why it has the "h" effect.

it's also less active and more short-lived.

"h-bombs" may also contain any other downer or non-mdXX substance. can widely vary...

or can just be a very poorly (or straight up improperly) brewed MDxx substance where the end product didnt react into a MDxx substance.. so your eating mostly precursors material.

fuck x... especially street x.

quit being a cheerleader douche. i know H in pills doesn't make any sense, i'm not debating that. however, i've been through half-way houses and 12-step programs and seen a lot of fucked up people... and people saying shit like "herion isn't addictive if you eat it" is just making the situation worse. drugs are drugs are drugs no matter where you stick them.

you stfu ali. this is the "harm reduction" forum, not the "how to take drugs" forum.

quote me where i said that you worthless piece of bible thumping shit

this is exactly the ignorant assjack attitude that gets people hurt, needlessly incarcerated, and benefits NO ONE.

no shit. i'm not cheerleading. i call them like i see em. and posting in the harm reduction forum doesn't give you a safe haven from being called a fucking moron.

and like i said

something can't be addictive if it's not active.

i didn't say anything about how to take drugs. obviously you're the one who's more versed in that having spent such numerous times in said halfway houses and 12-step programs. dude.

hitting a nerve am i?

i may be a christian, but at least my audience doesn't have to be doped up to enjoy the show.

yes. blatant ignorance hits a nerve with me.

i was visiting friends kiddo.

let's see who's ignorant, shall we?alright... let's see what erowid has to say about mdma:

Oral MDMA Dosages

Threshold 30 mg
Common for small or sensitive people 50 - 75 mg
Common for most people 75 - 125 mg
Common for large or unsensitive people 125 - 175 mg
Required by few (side effects increase) 200 + mg

now wait a second... you're telling me i have to take MORE mdma than herion for effects?

what were you trying to say in the first place again?


so i suppose you hit your own nerve then, eh?