did anyone else find his speech amusing? i mean who does he think he is forcing sadam out of his own country? i personally think its bullshiet. i just hope we dont go to war.

WWIII=

ive given up hope of averting war. and i think kicking people out of THEIR country is immoral and irresponsible.

We're going to war whether you hippies like it or not.

yes i understand that.

hahaha, fuckin' hippies.

in the words of Muhammed from the radio show

"how EXACTLY will leaving Saddam in power promote peace and justice for the Iraqi people?"

Some of us who are antiwar aren't antiwar because it's a cool catch phrase, and we know it's not about a war for oil.

However, if you think this is our country on a cruisade to help the Iraqi people, you're just as dumb as the girl in the grocery store. Just wanted to point that out.

Supporting your troops and your goverment isn't remotely the same thing. Fuck BUsh, Fuck Cheney, Fuck Paul Wolfowitz, FUck Rumsfield, and last, fuck all your asshole Americans who have made this country the raging shit pit of hatred and insanity it is today. Thanks, and have a nice war.

Was she saying it sarcastically, or are you just confused?

how do we remove Saddam w/o war?

Yeah it was, it's my finger to the Bush Administration. There it is again.

The US citizen is under no direct threat of Iraq using chemical, biological, or nuclear weapons on us, none. There was never any ties drawn between Iraq and 9/11 or any of Al Queda, none. Saddam is now gearing up to not only kill our troops as we liberate his people, but he's gonna kill a good portion of his population in the process. I hope I'm wrong, and I can look back on this and think, man, you were a real idealistic moron, but I really don't think I'm wrong about this. I think you'll see well over 100,000 Iraqi citizens dead after this is all said and done.

I've said it on this board 100 times, Saddam is evil, he has to be dealt wtih, but doing it in our current fashion is wrong.

We are supporting governemtns who are goign against popular opinion of their citizens, yet we say we are figthing for democaracy. That's the biggest hypocrtical lie probably of the last 100 years. We want these people to govern themselves, yet we are rewarding those leaders who go against their own people, Pakistan, Turkey, Britain, Spain. We are now punishing those who are supporting the will of their people, Gemrnay, France.

And the whole time, we're name calling, acting like we're ignorant high school football players fixing to have our big crosstown rivalry.

I hate the attitude of this country right now, arragant fucking ASSHOLES! This is not America.

War is probably the only way to deal with Saddam, but it didn't have to go down like this. We're isolated now, we have alot of fences we'll have to mend after this administration finishes destroying the relationships we've forged over the the last decade.

You know how petty and ignorant it is we changed French Fries and French Toast to freaking FREEDom fries and toast? What does that say about us? WE IGNORANT AND PETTY! We're so stupid, we're goign to rename things that aren't even FRENCH! The hotel chain that owns Motel 6/some other motel had to take down their French Flags (French owned company) becasue of threats to their employees safety. Wow, way to be so Nationalized sound judgement just flies right out the door. We're pulling all bases out of Germany, which we've had their since WW2, estimated to have an economic impact or somehwere between 750,000 to 1 billion dollars out of the German Economy.

We are fucking PUNISHING countries for not falling in line with us, when we're going to war to "free" a country from an evil dictator. Does anyone not see the problem with this? YOU SHOULD BE A DEMOCRACY, but wait, we as Americans want to do this, and even though you are a soveriegn nation, just like we are, you have to think like we do and act like we do, else we're going to punish you; even if your citizens dont' agree with your actions. Oh, well you can be a democracy after we finsih our little war.

It doesn't work like that.

no it didn't have to go down like this...Saddam could have complied with the UN resolutions, he could have disarmed, he could have used the food he got for the oil for money plan to feed his people instead of selling it for weapons, he could step down from power now and leave the country...but he didn't and he won't

the ONLY person to hate or blame for the looming war with Iraq is Saddam.

and to your attitude of "fuck america" or "this is not america".....remove your head and realize, THIS IS AMERICA....if you don't like it, either do something productive to make it better or stop whining about it and leave.

This is not what America stands for homes, bullying the world into our own brand of foriegn policy is not what America stands for, hence the "this is not america" statement.

Let me repeat, Saddam has to be dealt with, he should be KILLED, strung up in front of the world, feed him his own testicles, pour fireants on his head and cover it in honey. However, we're doing it the wrong way, and we're going to casue more problems that we're solving.

When the first bomb drops, I'm shutting my mouth, until then. I'm yappying like crazy.

And answer this, do you not see a problem with saying we are tryign to help these countries become democracies, but we punish countries that are currently practicing democracy? Is that not a problem in your eyes?

*holds up voter registration card*

I plan on it.

i agree with dirk... everyone is putting all this blame on bush... but the cards are in saddams hands... has been for the last 12 years... im glad there is a US president with the balls to realize and stand up to whats been going on over there... instead of waiting... and waiting... and waiting until it blows up in our face

I put the blame on Rumsfield, Wolfowitz, and Cheny more than Bush. They've wanted this war since Reagan. Bush had never even been out of the country before he became president(he had been to mexico). His grasp of foreign relations is limited at best.

so if the US is going about this wrong, how should they go about it?

if not war, then what?

should we get in the business of covertly assassinating evil leaders?

what? don't just bitch about what we shouldn't do or how we are wrong for doing it a certain way, give an alternative

it still doesnt matter who wanted the war... saddam controls if it happens or not.... its ashame we have more concern for his people then he does

its a shame we didn't have more concern for his people when we helped to put him in power.

waaawaaa waaaaa

times change, people change

it doesn't matter if we put him in power in the past, what matters is that he needs to be removed NOW

Then why do you peopel bitch so much about Clinton?

This morning on JB and Sandy, they were comparing the people in Bush's cabinet and advisors, against the people standing against the war (Celebrities)

They had huge lists of credientials of education, books, studies, and all these hige lists of experiences with foregin policy, and other experience, and the lists went on and on and on.

Then it was like celebrities against the war.

Barbra Striesand - Dropped out of High School
Cher - Left school in the 9th grade
Martin Sheen - Failed College Enterence Exams for the universisty of Daton.
Alec Baldwin - Dropped out of college...

Etc Etc. It was funny and a great point.

who is bitching about Clinton?

the ONLY negative thing I've ever said on TBN about Clinton is that our military is in a crippled state because of 8 years of him.

to quote my favorite Irish man

"the Almighty says answer the fookin' question"

if not war, then what?