Saying that not having sex is unrealistic just allows people to continue to think that they are not in control of their impulses. I agree that the world will not stop having sex, but it does not mean that the ideals are not proper and fitting. There are other ways to decide whether or not you want your body to be an incubator for a fetus; before you let someone run up in you. I am certainly not trying to change anyone'e view point, but just speaking mine. I am not a lawmaker, so thankfully I am not in charge of making these types of complex decisions for the populace. BUT..............I would rather abstain from sex until I am ready to bring a child into this world, than ever throw away the most precious gift that exists on this planet. Our one chance at helping to create LIFE. Just because you can have sex, does not mean that you exploit your reproductive ability for temporary pleasure.

then you don't believe in contraception?

Put it this way.....I'm still a virgin.

But do you think that it is wrong for people to have sex while using contraception... Married or not, lifelong partners or two people who just met... is sex inherently wrong if it is not meant to lead to procreation? I understand that you aren't engaging in sex right now, but do you intend to use contraception in the future when you do have sex?

Because to use contraception is to accept that sex has a purpose besides procreation. It is an expression of love and intimacy. It feels good. Yes, it can also create a child but it is so much more than just that.

IMO, it is not wrong to have sex... but it is wrong to bring a child into the world who is unwanted or who you are unable to provide for (if you are white and have a healthy baby, perhaps you can give it up for adoption and it will still have a good life.... but if you are a minority, there are many more babies than adoptive homes and the foster care system isn't all that great).

Well, then is the problem with the baby, or the person who doese not want it? If the problem is with foster care, than lets adjust our system to account for all children, of every race and background, not just throw away all the souls who will not fit into our scheme. I think the focus is shifted to what we can do after we fuck up, instead of what we can do to prevent situations from occurring. I was acutally kidding about being a virgin. I have my fair share of sexual experience, and I have a child on the way. I think woman feel they have the exclusive right to the child that dwells inside of them. I think the baby has been created with two sets of blueprints, and bot parties need to be invloved in the decison making process. To me, the problem is once the conception has taken place, trying to revoke what you did. I think using contraception is a much better idea and I endorse it. I agree that sex is much more than just procreation, but procreation is always a factor. I agree that a man and woman have every right to experience the bliss of union as often as they want, as long as they realize the implications and possible outcome of their actions.

even though i don't necessarily agree with some of the things jesse is saying, i respect you for the way that you're saying them.

i'm impressed. i thought you only knew how to talk like an MC before.

All I have to say is Birth Control!!!! What the fuck is so hard about taking a pill every day?? If you can't Have responsable sex then don't have it cause It will eventially result in Pregnancy or STDs. People that are to stupid to understand that should have to have there kids and put them up for adoption. Just my opinion.

Perhaps there would be a more effective way to communicate with us on this subject Jeremy. I am not sure who that emoticon was intended for, so I take no offense, but I would certainly love to hear more opinions on this topic.

BTW Kelley, thank you very much for your open-minded respect of my opinion. Usually I don't find the time to discuss these things on this board, but my psyche has undergone a lot of adjustment over the past few months, and I decided to interject my thoughts, without criticism of others.

If that was intended for me sorry. This is a very touchy Subject for me as I was adopted. I very well could have been an Abortion and I am so happy that i got a chance to live and all. So That is all. THe end

I am glad we have an example in the flesh of a soul that was spared, and thankfully so.......Everyone deserves equal opportunity right? Even the little lump of dividing cells that we try to pretend is not human.

I was to be aborted and was adopted.

but had you been aborted, would you have been consious of the difference anyway?

im sure he is thankful anyway

hahahahah

if the technology and money is around for abortion... there is technology and money for birth control... im about as pro birth control as it gets

i agree.

however:
no method of birth control is 100% effective (short of abstinence, which is obviously not a convincing method of use, no matter what our president would have you believe.)

an aborted fetus does not neccessarily mean tossing out a soul. the soul and body are two seperate entities that merge together during pregnancy and more often than not souls in the sprirt world know a bit about their next live, including whether or not their is the possibility of their earthly carrier having an abortion. if it is definate than many times they will not merge with the fetus at all. sometimes they do with a quick return to the spirit world where they continue on with their path. their path may again cross with the mother who aborted. my point is souls are never tossed away, even if they are no longer living on this earth. this is the first time i've discussed even a fraction of my personal beliefs on this board and i know many of you may not understand/care/or care to understand...but thats my take on it

and hooray for birth control!

i happen to agree with you, but things like this would come across far better if you would state them as opinion and not as incontrovertible fact.

gotcha

Maybe this is just me. I understand and totally agree with the "pro-birth control side" But don't discount those that still choose to have abortions. I know that me personally, if I were to get pregnant right now I wouldn't have it. And I wouldn't put it up for adoption. There's no way I'm going to adjust 10 months of my life just to give it to someone else or let it float in the foster care system. Call me self-fish but that's just me.

I heard someone say earlier in the discussion that both parties need to be consulted on the matter. While both parties do need to have a say in the matter, it is ultimately the woman's decsion.